Jeff Melnick

It's almost, it moves with like the cadence of mythology. He was a member of Ma Barker's gang, you know, and also a guitar player. He taught Manson to play guitar and he also seemed to have taught him a bunch of other things as well. Right. About how to be a more successful criminal.

I mean, Manson always says his other big influence in the fifties besides prison was Dale Carnegie's how to win friends and influence people. Right. And that's where it all sort of seems to come together. You know, that like he's in jail and he, he learns how to be a player. He learns how to control people. He kind of develops his individual talent and charisma.

I mean, Manson always says his other big influence in the fifties besides prison was Dale Carnegie's how to win friends and influence people. Right. And that's where it all sort of seems to come together. You know, that like he's in jail and he, he learns how to be a player. He learns how to control people. He kind of develops his individual talent and charisma.

I mean, Manson always says his other big influence in the fifties besides prison was Dale Carnegie's how to win friends and influence people. Right. And that's where it all sort of seems to come together. You know, that like he's in jail and he, he learns how to be a player. He learns how to control people. He kind of develops his individual talent and charisma.

You know, many years later, Ed Sanders would refer to him as the first performance murderer ever. You know, that like he was always very aware of theatricality, you know, and putting on a good show. And he learns that, I think, in jail in the 50s.

You know, many years later, Ed Sanders would refer to him as the first performance murderer ever. You know, that like he was always very aware of theatricality, you know, and putting on a good show. And he learns that, I think, in jail in the 50s.

You know, many years later, Ed Sanders would refer to him as the first performance murderer ever. You know, that like he was always very aware of theatricality, you know, and putting on a good show. And he learns that, I think, in jail in the 50s.

Right, absolutely. He's, I mean, he's a little bit hard to talk about because it plays into some kind of like almost like bullying language, but like he's a little guy. Yeah. He's not physically prepossessing. You know, he, I think figures out how to make it in jail through his wiles and through his personality and through his ability to kind of figure out he's a good reader.

Right, absolutely. He's, I mean, he's a little bit hard to talk about because it plays into some kind of like almost like bullying language, but like he's a little guy. Yeah. He's not physically prepossessing. You know, he, I think figures out how to make it in jail through his wiles and through his personality and through his ability to kind of figure out he's a good reader.

Right, absolutely. He's, I mean, he's a little bit hard to talk about because it plays into some kind of like almost like bullying language, but like he's a little guy. Yeah. He's not physically prepossessing. You know, he, I think figures out how to make it in jail through his wiles and through his personality and through his ability to kind of figure out he's a good reader.

That's the main thing. Like he learns how to read people. Like there's the, some people argue that's the Scientology part two. He learned Scientology and in prison and he's kind of figures out how to read personalities and what people need and how to ingratiate himself. Yeah.

That's the main thing. Like he learns how to read people. Like there's the, some people argue that's the Scientology part two. He learned Scientology and in prison and he's kind of figures out how to read personalities and what people need and how to ingratiate himself. Yeah.

That's the main thing. Like he learns how to read people. Like there's the, some people argue that's the Scientology part two. He learned Scientology and in prison and he's kind of figures out how to read personalities and what people need and how to ingratiate himself. Yeah.

So he's like a, like I want to, if it's okay, put him in the context, like great American tradition of con men, you know, confidence men. He knows how to run the game. Right. He might not be the biggest guy, the strongest guy, the best looking guy, but like he knows how to read people. He knows how to flatter them.

So he's like a, like I want to, if it's okay, put him in the context, like great American tradition of con men, you know, confidence men. He knows how to run the game. Right. He might not be the biggest guy, the strongest guy, the best looking guy, but like he knows how to read people. He knows how to flatter them.

So he's like a, like I want to, if it's okay, put him in the context, like great American tradition of con men, you know, confidence men. He knows how to run the game. Right. He might not be the biggest guy, the strongest guy, the best looking guy, but like he knows how to read people. He knows how to flatter them.

And that, that's like, that's like an amazing moment. Cause he'll always say, I'm not a sixties guy. I'm a fifties guy. You know, like he's like, I'm a, I'm a Bing Crosby guy, you know, like that, like that's like, that's who he grows up listening to thinking about. And then he comes out of prison and it's the summer of love in San Francisco.

And that, that's like, that's like an amazing moment. Cause he'll always say, I'm not a sixties guy. I'm a fifties guy. You know, like he's like, I'm a, I'm a Bing Crosby guy, you know, like that, like that's like, that's who he grows up listening to thinking about. And then he comes out of prison and it's the summer of love in San Francisco.

And that, that's like, that's like an amazing moment. Cause he'll always say, I'm not a sixties guy. I'm a fifties guy. You know, like he's like, I'm a, I'm a Bing Crosby guy, you know, like that, like that's like, that's who he grows up listening to thinking about. And then he comes out of prison and it's the summer of love in San Francisco.

Yeah. But let's remind you listeners. And you said that you, you already mentioned his birth date. He's not hippie age, right? He's like in his early mid thirties, right? So he comes out and he's kind of scoping the scene clearly as an outsider, just in terms of, we picture those, you know, all the documentaries we've seen of, you know, Summer of Love, like these are young folks.