Jeff Melnick

It's incredibly, I mean, I just want to make sure that we don't laugh it up too much because like it's incredibly exploitive scenario. Like in the research I did, I really focused on this category that we've come to call groupies.

Which is, you know, it's a really complicated category, right? Yes. Right? It can mean just fan, but like baked into it in this moment in the late 60s is it's young women. It's vulnerable young women. It's young women who are being kind of sexually exploited by much older men who are being promised things that, you know, maybe they're going to get, maybe they're not going to get.

Which is, you know, it's a really complicated category, right? Yes. Right? It can mean just fan, but like baked into it in this moment in the late 60s is it's young women. It's vulnerable young women. It's young women who are being kind of sexually exploited by much older men who are being promised things that, you know, maybe they're going to get, maybe they're not going to get.

Which is, you know, it's a really complicated category, right? Yes. Right? It can mean just fan, but like baked into it in this moment in the late 60s is it's young women. It's vulnerable young women. It's young women who are being kind of sexually exploited by much older men who are being promised things that, you know, maybe they're going to get, maybe they're not going to get.

But there are power differentials. Right. And the Manson women become something like that role for Dennis Wilson and for Terry Melcher, who's this incredibly important music producer, produces first Paul Revere, the Raiders, the birds. Like he's right at the heart of it. He's Doris Day's son. He's literally the son of like the image of white bread in American culture.

But there are power differentials. Right. And the Manson women become something like that role for Dennis Wilson and for Terry Melcher, who's this incredibly important music producer, produces first Paul Revere, the Raiders, the birds. Like he's right at the heart of it. He's Doris Day's son. He's literally the son of like the image of white bread in American culture.

But there are power differentials. Right. And the Manson women become something like that role for Dennis Wilson and for Terry Melcher, who's this incredibly important music producer, produces first Paul Revere, the Raiders, the birds. Like he's right at the heart of it. He's Doris Day's son. He's literally the son of like the image of white bread in American culture.

And that's something that like they all I mean, one of the fascinating things when I start doing the research for the book is like, how little any of those people wanted to talk about, you know, I reached out to a few of them just, you know, want to do some of the people connected to the Beach Boys, and they were nobody wanted to touch it.

And that's something that like they all I mean, one of the fascinating things when I start doing the research for the book is like, how little any of those people wanted to talk about, you know, I reached out to a few of them just, you know, want to do some of the people connected to the Beach Boys, and they were nobody wanted to touch it.

And that's something that like they all I mean, one of the fascinating things when I start doing the research for the book is like, how little any of those people wanted to talk about, you know, I reached out to a few of them just, you know, want to do some of the people connected to the Beach Boys, and they were nobody wanted to touch it.

Um, to the level that like, even when I wanted to quote Neil Young's song, that's, you know, loosely based on the, the Manson case, his people were just like, no, you can't like, usually this is like in the weeds a little bit, but like, usually when you ask to quote lyrics, the company that owns it says, sure. Send us 5,000 bucks like that. It's a money making thing.

Um, to the level that like, even when I wanted to quote Neil Young's song, that's, you know, loosely based on the, the Manson case, his people were just like, no, you can't like, usually this is like in the weeds a little bit, but like, usually when you ask to quote lyrics, the company that owns it says, sure. Send us 5,000 bucks like that. It's a money making thing.

Um, to the level that like, even when I wanted to quote Neil Young's song, that's, you know, loosely based on the, the Manson case, his people were just like, no, you can't like, usually this is like in the weeds a little bit, but like, usually when you ask to quote lyrics, the company that owns it says, sure. Send us 5,000 bucks like that. It's a money making thing.

Neil Young's people all these years later were like, he does not want to be associated with this.

Neil Young's people all these years later were like, he does not want to be associated with this.

Neil Young's people all these years later were like, he does not want to be associated with this.

Exactly. Oh, my God. And they were all they were hanging out together. They were dancing together, you know, in the Sunset Strip clubs. And it's not just music people. It's film people, too. Right. Because this is the moment of the new Hollywood. So Dennis Hopper is tied up with these, you know, with these people. Right.

Exactly. Oh, my God. And they were all they were hanging out together. They were dancing together, you know, in the Sunset Strip clubs. And it's not just music people. It's film people, too. Right. Because this is the moment of the new Hollywood. So Dennis Hopper is tied up with these, you know, with these people. Right.

Exactly. Oh, my God. And they were all they were hanging out together. They were dancing together, you know, in the Sunset Strip clubs. And it's not just music people. It's film people, too. Right. Because this is the moment of the new Hollywood. So Dennis Hopper is tied up with these, you know, with these people. Right.

Like these names who are like crucial people in American culture are dancing with these marginal freaks. Yeah. Yeah.