Jeff Siewert

And I thought they had a lot of promise.

There were things that needed to be done like some sort of protective coating, you know, like the bacon stuff that some of the guys use in order to shield that from

putting zinc onto the interior of the barrel.

And we needed to kind of take it a little bit farther, get nonlinear material properties and run it through some finite element analysis to understand how the material was going to behave.

We didn't get that far, but I thought it had great potential for non-toxic bullets.

Down below, if somebody wants to know if this is the guy who was on the Hornady podcast, the answer is yes.

Yeah, that's been a long time now.

Like I said, it's got to be, it's 10 years anyway, might be 15.

And yeah, the interesting part of that was we got to look at the behavior of lead bullets, kind of the gold standard for rimfire, rimfire 22, and compare it to the zinc.

And

The zinc, I thought, was not an identical match because the density is not quite as high as it is with lead.

But I thought it had a lot of potential.

Yeah, in terms of the diameter, the answer is yes.

The other details, I'm kind of drawing a blank on at the moment.

Yeah, so the real problem is you don't have a lot of gyroscopic stability margin with the length of diameter that you currently have with a lead bullet.

And when you go lighter, you lose...

taller moment of inertia rapidly.

So you might actually have to go shorter L over D to keep the thing gyroscopically stable.

Ah, okay.

So it was one of those, one of those you're in a, because of the twist of all the legacy right, you know, 22 rimfire rifles and handguns out there, you're really in a, in a, in a bit of a corner with regard to keeping the bullet gyroscopically stable.