Jeff the Ref

You've been told, leave these decisions to me.

Yes, yeah.

Or you don't have the confidence in case you get it wrong.

Yeah.

You're running scaredy cat thinking, oh, I don't want to put my flag up in case I actually saw that one wrong.

Neither of those things are acceptable to me.

It's just been less, hasn't it?

However, we've highlighted one or two in here where the TMO has to get involved.

If the try's not scored, the TMO has to get involved.

Or the full pass, get involved, yeah.

You know, the swinging arm, you know, somebody's got to, out of all of those officials, has got to be able to put their hand up and say, listen, that is a red card offence, I'm calling this.

I just feel that there is a reluctance of some of these officials to actually get involved.

So it's kind of balancing it out.

We don't want you all over the game.

But when something blatant happens, you've got to call it.

And I thought there was a spare ref.

But there's a spare ref as well, isn't there, out back?

Isn't there a fourth official out there?

There has to be, Geoff, because if the ref goes down and AR1 takes over, there's got to be another AR.

They're not calling someone off the bench here.