Jeff Thornburg

And so that's another way to drive market value that's a good business case as well.

I've seen a lot.

Yes, I think that's a fair statement.

That's definitely true.

I think more importantly though is I got to work with these gray beards at NASA and the Air Force.

I got to work with some great people in industry.

Gray beards, yes.

Yeah, well, the civil servants have beards.

Okay, good.

Okay.

So I tried to be a very good student of those older folks that had seen a lot more things than I had in my career.

I think that's awesome that you're doing that.

And two, that's the best part of my job.

I know engineers that got degrees that never really became engineers because they never got to actually experience an idea that you actually have to go build and it needs to work.

And then I work with people every day, some of which that don't understand that engineering is sometimes an art form because...

you don't know all the things you have to design around the uncertainty.

Like if you came to me with a new spacecraft system, I'd say, yeah, that's theoretically possible.

Now let's go see what we can actually build and how accurate I could build it

Right.

We don't know.