Jeff Tiegs

So yes, there's a physical exploitation against the women, which most people don't.

get hardened to, right?

If you hit me enough, again, there's plenty of people that are listening who have undergone child abuse.

And at some point you just become inured to it.

Yeah.

But now they start hitting something you love, a brother, a sister.

So that is really the control that they have.

That stable is very, very important to the control that the trafficker has.

More often than not, also, they have children with the victim because that's another lever that they can hold.

I always ask mothers, what would you do to protect your daughter?

What would you do to protect your baby son?

And the answer is pretty much anything.

And that is what the trafficker is counting on.

So there is an insidious level of this crime that I think would

surprise people if they wanted to really, um, understand it.

Um, but it's also an economy.

It's we, we describe ourselves as countering commercial sex trafficking.

You know, I'm not in your home.

I don't see what's happening with abuse.

If there are closed systems where girls and children are getting passed around, it's very hard for us to see once it hits that commercial level, we're off and running.