Jeff Tiegs

I knew ISIS.

I knew my enemy.

I knew how they thought.

I knew how they fought.

I knew what they were going to do.

And it allows you to insert yourself into their game and win.

So my hypothesis as I was beginning to transition out of the military was, hey, are these things that I've learned –

studying just bad people it's particularly terrorist insurgents but again when you talk about a terrorist and an insurgent it's all wrapped up into everything they're kidnappers they're exploiters they're human traffickers they're drug traffickers they're weapons traffickers you know there's there's all sorts of it there's there's media amirs that run all these things so there's there's aspects of crime that i think has a has a constant to it so i thought

I've spent the better part of my life understanding my enemy and finding ways to interject ourselves into their game and beating them at their own game.

How much of that is transferable into a trafficker or a pimp?

The first thing was a pimp.

There's a lot out there about pimps.

What is pimping?

There's books out there, how to be a pimp, how to be a successful pimp.

So the first question was, are pimping and trafficking the same?

Are pimps and traffickers the same?

Answer is yes.

Evil people do evil things, and there's patterns and processes that they use.

So as I thought, maybe 40, 50, 60% of what I learned in the military would be applicable towards this crime category, it's 100%.

So that was, again, just an extension of this recognition of what