Jeff Walton

And yeah, check it out.

We've got a show called True North every Wednesday.

And we talk about the securitization and the development of the financial ecosystem around these.

So tune into that if you're curious, want to learn more information and just stay up to date on what's happening at the cutting edge.

Uh, wow, man, I heard about Bitcoin in 2014, my senior econ thesis class.

And I was I was playing around with natural gas and solar and thinking about those things.

So that was my first like exposure to it.

I traded it in 2017.

And then in 2020, after when I saw strategy used as capital.

that was like an aha moment for me.

And I was working in the capital markets and the insurance companies I was working with were like going downhill and their capital was declining.

And I see strategies, capital, like going the complete opposite way.

And I was like, I need to pay attention to that.

And that was when I like fully realized

I mean, I had time.

I read all the literature.

I got really deep down the rabbit hole and I was like, oh yeah, I'm late and I need more exposure to this.

And that was really the tipping point for me.

Yeah, it's fixed the money.

It's fixed the capital markets.