Jeffrey Sachs

Well, this has been, by the way, CIA ops to have separatist groups everywhere. And fascinating, just if I could mention, because it's almost humorous, except that it's so tragic. There was a... I don't remember the exact name, but something around 1998 called the Chechnya Friendship Committee. Chechnya, okay. Burning issue for the United States?

I dare one in a million of your listeners to know exactly where Chechnya is in its history, because who knows, who cares? But if you look at the Chechnya Friendship Committee, it was the blue ribbon committee of American neocons. It's Big Brzezinski right there. Everyone that wants the hard line. Why? They couldn't care for one iota of a moment about Chechnya. Of course not.

They wanted to break up Russia. Everything is antagonism. So they fund Islamic extremism. So they funded the jihadists everywhere. And by the way, it's not even... We made al-Qaeda. I think everyone understands this. We made Osama bin Laden. We made the overthrow in Syria where they're saying, oh, my God, it's HTS. Why do you think this was what Obama tasked in 2011-12? Jihadists.

When he's the most pro-Western leader in Russia. Let me address it in a little bit different way. In the last year, The leaders of Hamas wanted to make peace with Israel, and their political negotiator was a man named Haniya. What did Israel do when the peace feelers came out? They assassinated him to make sure that there would be no attempt by Hamas to make peace.

Nazrullah of Hezbollah— For real? Yeah. For real. He's the one that they killed at the inauguration of Hezekiah.

Because he was the political negotiator for Hamas. And they wanted to try to find a peace. Israel hates the idea that there would be negotiations with Hamas. The idea is to remake the Middle East through war, not through a peaceful negotiation. Right. Then Nasrullah in Hezbollah wanted to make peace with Israel. What did they do? They killed him, of course. This is a basic point.

Kill the peacemakers. This is very important to understand. You assassinate the people that might want to negotiate. And we, this is... This was something that JFK learned, I think, the hard way. Well, this is the modus operandi of the CIA, and it's the modus operandi of Mossad, and it's the modus operandi of this deep state, which is you're not aiming for peace. You're aiming for primacy.

You're aiming for dominance. You're aiming to remake... the region in your image, you're resisting any call for compromise. Yitzhak Rabin, when he wanted to make peace, he was assassinated, killed the peacemakers, but what we know is that this is state action. We know this in the United States. Kill the peacemakers. We know it of Mossad. Rise and kill.

And they've done it repeatedly in front of our eyes. So it's not the harshest enemy you try to kill. It's the one that... threatens you not with war, but with diplomacy. That's what they dislike. They don't want peace. They want primacy. This is really a different thing. Where is it getting us?

Since the whole thing is completely delusional, it's getting us closer and closer to nuclear annihilation. How could anyone think you'd kill the president of a nuclear superpower? Of course, it's the most mind-boggling thing wrong-headed idea. I have no information about that. What I do have information about is the ones that they actually kill. By the way, I also know through lots of

Lots of discussions, and I can't go into all of them because I just have been lucky to have fascinating discussions. Iran has been asking for peace and for reaching out to the Biden administration for the last two years. How do we take that? Oh, they must be vulnerable. Now we must kill them. That's the idea. It's so weird. Iran is reaching out for peace now. Iran has been for two years.

I talked to an intermediary recently. I've talked to many diplomats in the last, in most recent months. By the way, there's an astoundingly, oh my God, an astoundingly insightful, episode that was reposted of PBS NewsHour with Robert McNeil interviewing Henry Kissinger and Jack Matlock in 1994. So this is the 30th anniversary of this show. And the show was on NATO enlargement.

And Matlock, who was the U.S. ambassador to the Soviet Union and a wonderful diplomat and a very, very smart, fine man, was saying in 1994, don't provoke. We have peace now. Don't expand NATO. We've said we won't. We shouldn't. And if Russia ever becomes belligerent again, of course, we would reconsider and take action. But right now, there's no belligerency whatsoever.

There's no reason to provoke. Kissinger is incoherent, actually, which is unusual. But Robert McNeil kind of can't even fathom what Kissinger is saying until Kissinger finally stumbles out with the statement, and I won't get it exactly right, but he says something to the effect, if you can't provoke Russia when they're weak, how are we going to provoke them when they're strong?

And it's just such a weird idea that there's no moment when you could actually try to make peace because if they're weak, definitely don't make peace because if you try not to provoke them then, well, then you won't be credible when they're strong. And so the idea is you always must be aggressive. So Kissinger was saying in 1994, of course we need to expand NATO.

And yes, Russia won't like it, but they're weak now so they can't resist. Later on, by the way, he came to understand.

that expanding nato to ukraine was just too far he actually did reach that understanding in 2015 but watching him in 2004 is very interesting because 2004 was the year that the decision was made and this is also something very important to understand about our foreign policy it's not

That a president comes in and then we have a new foreign policy and then another president, we have a new foreign policy. These things are very deeply set courses. These wars in the Middle East go back 30 years. This war against Russia.

actually goes back to 1945 at the end of World War II, but in the current version goes back to 1991 and by plan to 1994 when Clinton laid out the NATO enlargement. And then Brzezinski spelled it out for the public in 1997, but it was decisions already taken. So we can watch Kissinger In 1994, explaining, yeah, Russia's weak. Take advantage of them. This is the time to take advantage of them.

This is what gets us into such unbelievable insecurity. We could be the safest people in the world in history. No one could conceivably attack us. And yet we're 90 seconds to midnight. Do you have any expectation that will change? I'm counting on President Trump to change this. I think his instinct is right. I think his sense is right. I think he doesn't like war. I really do. No, he doesn't.