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I was like, I want to do those pieces.

And so I was like, how do I do something that is iconic enough that people will come and take a selfie with?

I mean, there's amazing artists all over the world.

And so my test is just, would you go there?

Would you fly there just to take a selfie with it?

Would it be on the sort of visitors bureaus magazine or when you take the airline magazine and see like, here's the places to visit?

Is it that strong?

And so not that, you know, big is bigger is better.

I mean, the bean is smaller compared to the Eiffel Tower, but it has to be something that resonates with the community and has a storyline.

Storyline is much more important than scale, although scale will get you there.

Scale will get you there.

Story will keep you there.

It's really about talking to the community, asking what they want.

So I think for me, the biggest thing is I've been able to listen and then interpret that listening into form.

Whether it's a figurative form or contemporary or sculptural interpretive form, it's really at the end of the day about them.

So they are the ones that's giving me the data to figure out what this should be.

Okay.

I go through a series of, in some ways, I think my gift is usually some people come in and say, I'll give you 20 different ideas.

for me, what hits is I really already kind of know what it should be after speaking to the community group.

Yeah.