Jem Rolls

We didn't want to find someone who was genuinely brilliant.

Yeah, but so anyway, so if I was gonna have lessons, it would just be that everything's in play and there are no rules in the sense that you can use stuff from anywhere.

And I mean, in text wise, I mean, adverts, pop songs,

Homer, Shakespeare, Daily Mail, whatever.

And stuff from all other, all mediums as well.

And there are no rules.

Why should there be any rules?

You do what the hell you like, really.

And that's really, you have to, I think even if you end up more constrained than that, you have to think very, very freely.

And the other thing is that it's for audience, so it's not really about these big marvellous ideas you've got in your own head, and I can sit here endlessly and persuade myself the ideas in my head that are good, just taking me around and marvellous, but it's about what effect they have.

It's about your ideas being effective, and so that forces you to confront with what

getting your ideas in a way that audiences can understand them and can get them, that's reasonably immediate, because let's face it, if they haven't got a page in front of them, and there's some other words that are just coming along very quickly to replace the words that you've just said, and there's more words after that for an hour or not.

So I think those would be the basic principles.

It's super free, why put any limits on it?

Well, yeah, I mean, I took eight years getting to the hour show.

And I think, you know, in a sense, I could have done it after five or six.

I get the impression that some of these young folks these days are actually learning quicker than I did.

But, you know, before I ever moved to Scotland, I'd run 400 shows and done 1,000.

1,000.

Yeah.