Jen Cohen

Yes.

And so I saw that clip and I was like, share, share, share with everybody.

Can we talk about that?

Like, how did you kind of come to this?

Tell me about a little bit about that and the evolution of how you kind of got your research and data and where you speak from.

I think that's so brilliant because you're right.

Like so much of this is about like, well, what's your love language?

And then if your love language is gifts and minds of affirmations and like, then therefore we're going to have a great relationship.

It doesn't work that way.

Right.

So I guess the word I was looking for is like you had, you took the veneer off and it was honest.

And I think people are very offended by sometimes honesty.

And therefore, like because of that, like that polarization, it caused like a lot of like,

you know, chitter chatter.

So I, I, that's why I resonate, you resonate with me because like you're, I kind of in the same, I've come from the same, I guess for the same block as you, which is like honesty.

I think honesty cuts through the bullshit.

That's how you really make connection.

That's how things have like substance actually occurs.

This like, you know, standing on ceremony and these niceties get you nowhere fast.

Yeah.