Jen Psaki

going forward because once donald trump is sort of out of politics per se so that's sort of my take on it totally i mean that is such an interesting way of laying it out i mean we we are it's not it republicans in pennsylvania are not eight not 85 percent mad right right and so states that we need to compete democrats need to compete in in 2026

And then 2028, it's not that majority base.

I mean, just I know we'll talk about the electoral politics of this, but on the MAGA side, I mean, one of the most interesting characters to me in all of this is J.D.

Vance and how he has navigated this.

And you may remember, I've been trying to think about kind of normalcy and what a vice president would do now.

I mean, Joe Biden, when Barack Obama was president, kind of came to the table with more foreign policy experience.

Right.

So and he was more.

for engagement in a lot of ways, military action at a lot of times than Obama necessarily was.

So he would have probably been more front and center, not that we would have done this at all.

But it feels, I mean, J.D.

Vance has been so silent, right?

And when he has spoken,

It's almost like he's speaking in the third person about a war that his government is that the government he is the vice president for is waging.

And that, to me, goes to what you say.

It's like it's like in his mind, he's got to be loyal to Trump.

But he also knows there's like a part of the base that's sort of his his people, too.

Right.

Who aren't for this?

It's so awkward, but I think that's what's going through his mind.