Jen Psaki

It's great to see you.

So you have not said a lot publicly since this war began.

It was one of the reasons I was so looking forward to speaking with you and hearing what you had to say.

But just 36 hours before this war started, you debated another Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, at a university in Florida.

And here's what you said, which you remember, but just for everybody watching.

If you push them too hard into a corridor, if you drop the bombs before there's a decision to be made, it is entirely possible these folks who are masters of asymmetrical warfare

may just say, to hell with them.

Tell us what you meant by that.

I have so many follow-up questions to ask you about.

Let me just start with this.

I mean, we're at this point, there's a direct line, to your point, between Donald Trump ripping up the JCPOA back in 2018 and where we are today.

And now where we are is a ceasefire has fallen apart.

And there's a U.S.

delegation led by the vice president that's going to be headed to Pakistan to attempt to negotiate, I guess, an off-ramp.

But the question I have for you, you've sat across from the Iranians, perhaps,

more than anyone else at the cabinet level.

When they go into these negotiations, the Iranians, to your point, are in a much different posture now.

They're controlling the straight.

They have much more leverage.

Is their posture going to be to hell with them, or what do you expect?