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military intervention is as maddening as it is baffling.

But luckily, there's one person I know who understands better than anyone how Trump approaches these kinds of things.

Atlantic editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg has had some of the best reporting on Trump's military worldview going all the way back to Trump's first administration.

It was Jeffrey Goldberg who broke the story that Trump reportedly called Americans who died on the battlefield suckers and losers.

And it was Jeffrey Goldberg who got a firsthand look at how Trump's second administration carries out war plans when he was inadvertently added to a group signal chat with top Trump officials.

I can think of no one better to help us understand the disconnect between Trump's own view of this war and the reality on the ground.

Joining me now is Jeffrey Goldberg, editor-in-chief at The Atlantic.

It's great to see you.

Thank you for being here.

Let me start by just asking you about what we hear from Trump every day about his desire to end this war, to end it quickly.

He says we've won.

He says it's going to end in two weeks.

And yet the military, there's been reporting that the Pentagon is looking to send 10,000 more troops.

to the Middle East.

You've covered national security, you've covered wars, you've covered administrations for decades.

What should people take away from that?

We talk about this nearly every day.

The Strait needs to be open because it's a global oil market.

Let me ask you about another aspect of this that feels very discordant in terms of his expectations or what he says publicly in reality, and that is the different objectives and goals of Israel and Prime Minister Netanyahu and what the United States may be, even though it's not clear to most Americans or to any of us what their exact objectives are.

But it seems clear they're not in line with Israel's exactly.