Jenner Furst

Well, it's interesting that we're coming to this four or five years later. I think if you look at a pattern of horrible scientific accidents and catastrophes, bad policy, bad products, it takes usually a decade, 20 years, 50 years. You'll see in the film, it's interesting you brought up Salk. Salk had a competitor. That was the oral polio vaccine.

Well, it's interesting that we're coming to this four or five years later. I think if you look at a pattern of horrible scientific accidents and catastrophes, bad policy, bad products, it takes usually a decade, 20 years, 50 years. You'll see in the film, it's interesting you brought up Salk. Salk had a competitor. That was the oral polio vaccine.

Well, it's interesting that we're coming to this four or five years later. I think if you look at a pattern of horrible scientific accidents and catastrophes, bad policy, bad products, it takes usually a decade, 20 years, 50 years. You'll see in the film, it's interesting you brought up Salk. Salk had a competitor. That was the oral polio vaccine.

And they were both racing to complete trials at the same time. And there's data that suggests that that scientist, Hilary Kroposky, who was in the Belgian Congo, was using chimpanzee kidneys to propagate his polio vaccine against the concerns of a lot of scientists who worried that viruses could go from chimpanzees to humans really easily. We have very similar DNA.

And they were both racing to complete trials at the same time. And there's data that suggests that that scientist, Hilary Kroposky, who was in the Belgian Congo, was using chimpanzee kidneys to propagate his polio vaccine against the concerns of a lot of scientists who worried that viruses could go from chimpanzees to humans really easily. We have very similar DNA.

And they were both racing to complete trials at the same time. And there's data that suggests that that scientist, Hilary Kroposky, who was in the Belgian Congo, was using chimpanzee kidneys to propagate his polio vaccine against the concerns of a lot of scientists who worried that viruses could go from chimpanzees to humans really easily. We have very similar DNA.

and he did those trials in uh 57 to 59 and the first articulated outbreak of hiv is in 1959 in the same city that he did those trials and therein lies the most complex hard to fathom you know, conundrum, right? You have people trying to save the world, racing to save the world, trying to cure polio, and they unintentionally cause another pandemic, potentially.

and he did those trials in uh 57 to 59 and the first articulated outbreak of hiv is in 1959 in the same city that he did those trials and therein lies the most complex hard to fathom you know, conundrum, right? You have people trying to save the world, racing to save the world, trying to cure polio, and they unintentionally cause another pandemic, potentially.

and he did those trials in uh 57 to 59 and the first articulated outbreak of hiv is in 1959 in the same city that he did those trials and therein lies the most complex hard to fathom you know, conundrum, right? You have people trying to save the world, racing to save the world, trying to cure polio, and they unintentionally cause another pandemic, potentially.

And fast forward 75 years, and it happened again. And... That is really what this story is about. I mean, you can't play God with this stuff. I mean, these things are, there's no way to model all the blowback.

And fast forward 75 years, and it happened again. And... That is really what this story is about. I mean, you can't play God with this stuff. I mean, these things are, there's no way to model all the blowback.

And fast forward 75 years, and it happened again. And... That is really what this story is about. I mean, you can't play God with this stuff. I mean, these things are, there's no way to model all the blowback.

You can't, and that when you layer in arrogance and you layer in unchecked power and you layer in lack of transparency and oversight, the amount of damage that can be done from this work is exponential. It's exponential at that point.

You can't, and that when you layer in arrogance and you layer in unchecked power and you layer in lack of transparency and oversight, the amount of damage that can be done from this work is exponential. It's exponential at that point.

You can't, and that when you layer in arrogance and you layer in unchecked power and you layer in lack of transparency and oversight, the amount of damage that can be done from this work is exponential. It's exponential at that point.

you know when you have people who haven't been challenged for 20 years on their decisions and who have amassed so much power and just put yes men around them that's what the niaid was that's what the nih was you got to remember out of anyone in hhs the overarching organization fauci was the most senior person in that entire organization and in many ways

you know when you have people who haven't been challenged for 20 years on their decisions and who have amassed so much power and just put yes men around them that's what the niaid was that's what the nih was you got to remember out of anyone in hhs the overarching organization fauci was the most senior person in that entire organization and in many ways

you know when you have people who haven't been challenged for 20 years on their decisions and who have amassed so much power and just put yes men around them that's what the niaid was that's what the nih was you got to remember out of anyone in hhs the overarching organization fauci was the most senior person in that entire organization and in many ways

I think he was seen as the most powerful person in that organization. And so if you look at the story of COVID, you've got the CDC director, Bob Redfield, who's known Fauci since the AIDS pandemic. And he is completely and totally marginalized and iced out of the conversation. And the entire time when Fauci is out in public, he's saying, I'm just following the guidance of the CDC.

I think he was seen as the most powerful person in that organization. And so if you look at the story of COVID, you've got the CDC director, Bob Redfield, who's known Fauci since the AIDS pandemic. And he is completely and totally marginalized and iced out of the conversation. And the entire time when Fauci is out in public, he's saying, I'm just following the guidance of the CDC.