Jennifer Cohen (host)

But like the fact what you built with Whole Foods is just incredible.

And what was so interesting when I like was looking through your book and reading your book and watching your interviews and knowing you're going to finally be on the show, it was that like there was such a juxtaposition between who you seem to be like in like personality

your personal life and then how you built such a juggernaut like Whole Foods, because you came across so like spiritual and all the things that you do with the breath work and the psychedelics and you love, like love life and all these ways of how you like this ideal version of like how you see the world.

But at the same time you, to build what you built, like that takes hardcore, like you have like, that's, that's a,

That's an entrepreneur on steroids to be able to do what you did.

How did you blend the two things?

I guess your ideal and the realistic way the world works in corporate America.

You did it for many, many years.

So you mentioned Trader Joe's.

I find them to be the one thing I found feels very similar between the Whole Foods and back then.

Because I feel that Whole Foods is different now.

And I'll talk about that in a minute.

But Whole Foods and Trader Joe's, their corporate culture, the culture is very obvious when you walk in.

Like when you walked into a Whole Foods and when you walked into a Trader Joe's, you felt what kind of their position was and what they stood for.

The branding is on point, right?

I think so.

But in every way, I don't know how else they're similar, but I feel like, but Whole Foods was more high-end, I would imagine.

Right?

Yep.

But what was your favorite book, by the way?