Jennifer Ledwith

OK, so like your graduate student test.

Your graduate student is in graduate school.

So somewhere along the line, he knew that he needed to go to graduate school.

So so maybe at some point, maybe he understood, hey, I'm going to have to go to graduate school and then go to graduate school.

And this is the kind of lifestyle that I have.

Like I would talk with my students about the kind of lifestyle they want to have after college.

And then we just work backwards.

I talk to my students and I tell them, hey, you look like you like nice things.

So let's just talk about what your life is going to be like after college.

And then I'm like, OK, well, let's talk about what that's going to cost.

And then we start talking about the cost of college.

And, you know, OK, if you get a student loan, this is what this is going to look like.

And this is how it's going to impede your ability to live that life where you're, you know, flossing and stunting for the gram and all of that.

You know, that's going to affect that.

And then we just and we say, OK, well, this is this is the kind of life that you want.

This is what it's going to cost.

So what are you willing to do now in order to defray the cost and just listening to them?

And it may be sometimes it's easier to have that conversation, to have a third party, to have that conversation, because I know one parent had that conversation.

I'm retiring next year.

I don't care what you do.