Jennifer Williams

I think then you, if you can sort of work through that and keep working with that, you can then hopefully still, yeah, it's like you've taken the best of that into yourself, but also combined it with your own voice to make it something new.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's so joyful, I think.

I mean, I've talked to poets a lot about this funny feeling when a poem comes very quickly.

that sometimes they seem to fall out almost whole, especially when they have those quick ones, you know, and it can feel almost like, have I done that?

You know, what it was telling me.

But I think the way you describe that seems very accurate to me, that it's actually, it seems very quick, but it's the accumulation of an enormous amount of

thinking and feeling that then suddenly, you know, pops out.

Pops out of the toaster.

They were all made up once upon a time.

Nobody had to make one.

Yes.

I think it's a poet's... I would say it's a poet's right.

If the word doesn't exist for the thing you're trying to talk about, go ahead and make it up.

You've talked already a bit about music and rhythm, and you are a musician as well, aren't you?

And do you feel also that there are...

do you find there's any crossover or insights that you have that go between those two artworks?

Because it's something about it being like a prayer, but also about a kind of summoning of your own destiny or trying to take control of a difficult situation and saying just like, here, come get me if this is my life.

And I don't know, it's very sort of devastating and powerful in that way.

you could see someone sort of standing on a mountaintop shouting it to the sky almost did you i mean you we talked a little bit about how your um in a way your rise to fame so to speak seem to be partly to do with this book and and it being not only amazing poems but also poems about your time