Jenny Holland

Well, Ben, first I have a confession.

Being somewhat of a newbie to this stuff, yeah, I did not know that about the tablet.

But also, a further confession, when Leo ascended to the throne of Rome a few months ago, and you and Frank and Liz came straight out of the gate, critical and very skeptical of Leo, I sort of withheld judgment.

I thought, well, I don't really know, maybe Leo.

You know me, I'm a Pollyanna.

I'm like, maybe it'll all be okay.

Well, this article, it just goes to show always trust MAGA, always trust the war room.

They always have the right take.

This article firmly put all of that optimism that I had momentarily to bed because I have never read a more jaw dropping article in my life.

And that says a lot.

I've also never heard a more ill-timed,

Poorly strategized and poorly thought out public pronouncement from any public figure of any time ever.

And I'm going to have to read the quote in full.

So forgive me for reading from my notes.

But Pope Leo told assembled journalists, like you said, coming back from a trip to Lebanon where he held a mass in Beirut.

He said, one of the great lessons Lebanon can teach the world is showing a land where Islam and Christianity are both respected and that there is a possibility to live together, to be friends.

He went on, in Europe, fears are present, but often generated by people who may be from another country, another religion, or another race.

I would say that we all need to work together.

And he finally said that the example of Ramadan would be important also to be heard in Europe or North America.

So using Lebanon, holding Lebanon up as an example of sectarian success is genuinely the most insane thing I have ever heard.