Jenny Keesden

And so what happened, the timing of the regime change that we've just discussed, the timing of HDS being able to move into Damascus and take it over,

it's no coincidence that it came after like a shift in the Israeli like genocidal war on Gaza and after what the then military action they were taking against Hezbollah in Lebanon yeah which they felt then had up to a point achieved what they wanted to achieve and then things kind of moved to Syria right yeah so I'm not saying that the new government has kind of come from has been sponsored by that at all I think there's a huge amount of tension there but

it's no coincidence that it came after like a shift in the Israeli like genocidal war on Gaza and after what the then military action they were taking against Hezbollah in Lebanon yeah which they felt then had up to a point achieved what they wanted to achieve and then things kind of moved to Syria right yeah so I'm not saying that the new government has kind of come from has been sponsored by that at all I think there's a huge amount of tension there but

it's no coincidence that it came after like a shift in the Israeli like genocidal war on Gaza and after what the then military action they were taking against Hezbollah in Lebanon yeah which they felt then had up to a point achieved what they wanted to achieve and then things kind of moved to Syria right yeah so I'm not saying that the new government has kind of come from has been sponsored by that at all I think there's a huge amount of tension there but

the withdrawal of like the weakening and or withdrawal of forces like Iran and Hezbollah here played a huge role with them being able to establish themselves as a government so that is also something that you know that's not directly necessarily every step sort of kind of puppeteered by the US at all but it is a part of politics that the US has had a long historical influence on and that it backs and that it's in conversation is in the whole of the Middle East it's this kind of greater Middle East plan it's

the withdrawal of like the weakening and or withdrawal of forces like Iran and Hezbollah here played a huge role with them being able to establish themselves as a government so that is also something that you know that's not directly necessarily every step sort of kind of puppeteered by the US at all but it is a part of politics that the US has had a long historical influence on and that it backs and that it's in conversation is in the whole of the Middle East it's this kind of greater Middle East plan it's

the withdrawal of like the weakening and or withdrawal of forces like Iran and Hezbollah here played a huge role with them being able to establish themselves as a government so that is also something that you know that's not directly necessarily every step sort of kind of puppeteered by the US at all but it is a part of politics that the US has had a long historical influence on and that it backs and that it's in conversation is in the whole of the Middle East it's this kind of greater Middle East plan it's

vision for it if you if you will and the other aspect that I think is important to talk about is the US's uh relationship with North and East Syria specifically you mentioned there like you know this like supposed friendship with we can say the like friendship with the Kurds as people will refer to it or the alliance and coalition between the SDF and the US which is

vision for it if you if you will and the other aspect that I think is important to talk about is the US's uh relationship with North and East Syria specifically you mentioned there like you know this like supposed friendship with we can say the like friendship with the Kurds as people will refer to it or the alliance and coalition between the SDF and the US which is

vision for it if you if you will and the other aspect that I think is important to talk about is the US's uh relationship with North and East Syria specifically you mentioned there like you know this like supposed friendship with we can say the like friendship with the Kurds as people will refer to it or the alliance and coalition between the SDF and the US which is

was sort of most famous and most well-known during the fight against ISIS, when the international coalition, it's obviously spearheaded by America, was bombing and providing air support for the SDF, as they called it, the boots on the ground, the actual ground force that could go and take territory back from ISIS, which, yes, did look like a friendship, but I think from both sides,

was sort of most famous and most well-known during the fight against ISIS, when the international coalition, it's obviously spearheaded by America, was bombing and providing air support for the SDF, as they called it, the boots on the ground, the actual ground force that could go and take territory back from ISIS, which, yes, did look like a friendship, but I think from both sides,

was sort of most famous and most well-known during the fight against ISIS, when the international coalition, it's obviously spearheaded by America, was bombing and providing air support for the SDF, as they called it, the boots on the ground, the actual ground force that could go and take territory back from ISIS, which, yes, did look like a friendship, but I think from both sides,

everyone always knew that that was a tactical alliance perhaps perhaps a strategic alliance at best we can say yeah but i think that the u.s has not got a history of operating on a basis of like friendship or of that kind of commitment to the forces it works with and a lot of history and modern recent history can attest to that um and from the side of people here

everyone always knew that that was a tactical alliance perhaps perhaps a strategic alliance at best we can say yeah but i think that the u.s has not got a history of operating on a basis of like friendship or of that kind of commitment to the forces it works with and a lot of history and modern recent history can attest to that um and from the side of people here

everyone always knew that that was a tactical alliance perhaps perhaps a strategic alliance at best we can say yeah but i think that the u.s has not got a history of operating on a basis of like friendship or of that kind of commitment to the forces it works with and a lot of history and modern recent history can attest to that um and from the side of people here

I think it's really important to say that yeah people were angry and that you know what you heard there you were talking about interviewing people and then kind of being like what are they doing like we we fought a war with them partly on their behalf like and then they deserve yes people are angry but the more kind of politically engaged someone is sort of moving up that scale I think the less faith they ever had in the US yeah so and now you've got the US kind of muttering about withdrawing their troops from Syria right yeah

I think it's really important to say that yeah people were angry and that you know what you heard there you were talking about interviewing people and then kind of being like what are they doing like we we fought a war with them partly on their behalf like and then they deserve yes people are angry but the more kind of politically engaged someone is sort of moving up that scale I think the less faith they ever had in the US yeah so and now you've got the US kind of muttering about withdrawing their troops from Syria right yeah

I think it's really important to say that yeah people were angry and that you know what you heard there you were talking about interviewing people and then kind of being like what are they doing like we we fought a war with them partly on their behalf like and then they deserve yes people are angry but the more kind of politically engaged someone is sort of moving up that scale I think the less faith they ever had in the US yeah so and now you've got the US kind of muttering about withdrawing their troops from Syria right yeah

And it's deja vu because they said this before. I was actually here, Wayne. They said this before. Back in 2019, I also happened to be in northern Syria. And it was, if I'm not wrong, it was Trump again. Yeah, it was. And they said we're withdrawing our forces from Syria. Did they actually withdraw? Not exactly, no.