Jeremy Boreing

And when you're on top, people do root against you.

When you're first place, all the other people who want to be first place hope that you become second place.

That's just, that's baked in.

That's the desire not to lose.

Everybody's got some amount of it.

So I think that there are some people who are sort of like trying to dance on Daily Wire's grave, and they're all going to be disappointed because the Daily Wire isn't dying.

I didn't vote for Donald Trump in 2016.

I don't believe Ben voted for Donald Trump in 2016.

And we worried at the time that that might be an existential issue, that we might lose the—you know, our business was fairly young at that point—

And we thought, well, this may be it.

You know, we're taking essentially the most unpopular stance that you can possibly take in the conservative movement.

And instead, we just exploded.

We grew.

We didn't grow because we were appealing to a never Trump audience.

We didn't give in to like Trump derangement syndrome.

We didn't go remake our values and start voting Democrat.

We didn't, you know, race off to join the New York Times or whatever, you know, as some people in the never Trump movement had done.

We saw Trump rising in 2015 and 2016, and we thought that the negative consequences of Donald Trump ascending would be greater than the positive consequences of Donald Trump ascending.

And some of the things that we were concerned about, we were right about.

You know, Donald Trump has been a very mixed bag.