Jeremy Kauffman

You know, and there's all kinds of what we're actually trying to do is come up with these bright line rules to police a norm that doesn't always have these bright lines.

And, you know, I thought about it more and like if I, you know, let's suppose that I still like, you know, I live in a I live in a city, at least by New Hampshire standards, you know, and we have parks all over the place.

How do I actually want these parks to be policed?

Well, what I would actually like is a cop who or other some other agent, you know,

who roughly matches my values, who has a decent amount of subjectivity, but who has like a camera on him so that he can be audited in terms of whether he was enforcing community standards or not.

But there's a lot of things that we can't do because the rules have to be universal for everyone.

But these rules are really just about preventing a certain sort of like lower class behavior or whatever.

And everyone's getting punished because that's the only way we can stop the thing.

And I think this is like,

this is a problem to me, and I would like to find better solutions than the status quo.

No, this is a huge problem, and it's so many things.

It underlies so many things.

Even something like housing costs, I think, is frequently driven by this, where...

You know, a lot of the reason, you know, of course, if you talk to the residents, they would never say it this way.

But if you really dig in, you know, a lot of the reasons that these areas are expensive is why have they zoned out cheaper housing?

Why they zoned out apartments is because they don't they don't want, you know, lower class people living in that area.

And but even truthfully, it's not even just lower class people.

It's just this portion of the lower class.

and you know and there's no way of dealing with them like there are you know i want to be clear that like there are plenty of people who are lower in income who you're nonetheless you know they're not littering and you know they're not committing crimes and they're not making their neighborhood worse so i want to be clear that it's a minority of them that are doing this

But they are disproportionately lower class people and there's and they ruin their neighborhoods.