Jeremy Relosa

So I mainly use it almost like a dumb phone in some regards where I just answer.

I just use it for the calling feature, which is so funny to say.

I use the phone for the calling feature, but...

That's, yeah, I do that.

And then I guess I text with intention, like with close friends and my family group chat.

I think it's really helpful to think of our phones as tools.

Because when I was just using my landline,

I was like, oh, well, how am I going to get to this point?

How am I going to find this restaurant while I'm out?

So I was like, oh, my cell phone functions like a GPS or a map.

I found it helpful to kind of split all of the use cases or the apps of the phone into like, oh, what am I really using my phone for?

And kind of reframing how I'd use it.

And...

I think once I did that, or once you do that, it will feel less like this all-encompassing kind of like time suck.

Absolutely.

I think we should be just calling off the rip, just, hey, what's up, man?

I will say one of the delights of having a landline was getting really, really trivial voicemails.

basically like the text equivalent of a voicemail being left from my friend because it felt like I was kind of tapped into that world.

So I think we should call our friends more and when they don't answer, leave a voicemail.

Exactly right.