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Jeremy Wacksman

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547 total appearances

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Decoder with Nilay Patel
Zillow's CEO on growth during a housing crisis

We are absolutely in an affordability crisis in this real estate market.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Zillow's CEO on growth during a housing crisis

That's why, as you mentioned earlier, we are seeing such depressed volume of transactions is because it is so hard to buy.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Zillow's CEO on growth during a housing crisis

That's a combination of, yes, mortgage rates.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Zillow's CEO on growth during a housing crisis

Everyone loves talking about mortgage rates and pre-temporary they were really low and now they've run up.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Zillow's CEO on growth during a housing crisis

Although ironically, historically, they're still not nearly as high as they have been in historical times.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Zillow's CEO on growth during a housing crisis

The challenge, though, is home prices.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Zillow's CEO on growth during a housing crisis

As you said, home prices are up nearly 100% in many markets from pre-pandemic levels, and that's not sustainable.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Zillow's CEO on growth during a housing crisis

Incomes aren't rising that fast, so trying to ease that supply-demand imbalance in the real estate market is really the only way to get back to a more normalized housing market.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Zillow's CEO on growth during a housing crisis

The way I always like to describe that is, in any given year over the last three, four decades,

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Zillow's CEO on growth during a housing crisis

About 6 million homes would trade on average, 5.5 to 6 million homes.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Zillow's CEO on growth during a housing crisis

So that's, you know, 10, 12 million people are going through this part-time job process of moving.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Zillow's CEO on growth during a housing crisis

The last couple of years, it's been 4 million homes.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Zillow's CEO on growth during a housing crisis

So we're off 2 million off kind of a normalized market, and it's not really budging.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Zillow's CEO on growth during a housing crisis

And affordability is the reason.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Zillow's CEO on growth during a housing crisis

No, but they may get more comfortable with a 5% mortgage.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Zillow's CEO on growth during a housing crisis

You ask them three years ago, what rate would you have to see?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Zillow's CEO on growth during a housing crisis

And they say three.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Zillow's CEO on growth during a housing crisis

Now three or four years go by and there's reasons people want to move that they've been putting off.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Zillow's CEO on growth during a housing crisis

And now they might say four or at some point they'll say five.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Zillow's CEO on growth during a housing crisis

So the pent up demand and rates easing will eventually converge and you'll start to see folks get unstuck from their mortgage more often.