Jerod Santo

Is dino run a thing? Yeah. Yeah, let's just try that because then we're guaranteed to use dino, right?

Is dino run a thing? Yeah. Yeah, let's just try that because then we're guaranteed to use dino, right?

I'm going to say allow all because I'm living dangerously. I'm allowing sys. I'm allowing read. I'm allowing write. I'm allowing run. I'm allowing net. Yeah. Hey, it is serving on port 3000. It works. Congrats.

I'm going to say allow all because I'm living dangerously. I'm allowing sys. I'm allowing read. I'm allowing write. I'm allowing run. I'm allowing net. Yeah. Hey, it is serving on port 3000. It works. Congrats.

For me, that was relatively simple. I'm sure for you and your team, that was a huge lift. Super, super huge lift.

For me, that was relatively simple. I'm sure for you and your team, that was a huge lift. Super, super huge lift.

That's exciting. I mean, as a fellow idealist slash purist, like part of me dies as you talk about this, but part of me actually is also excited because I'm way more likely to use this. Some of this NPM support has been there for a while now.

That's exciting. I mean, as a fellow idealist slash purist, like part of me dies as you talk about this, but part of me actually is also excited because I'm way more likely to use this. Some of this NPM support has been there for a while now.

That's really cool that you've been able to architect it in such a way that is extensible like that and allows people. I mean, talk about, again, meeting people where they are. There are people that appreciate those lower levels and they can use those open source projects to their own benefit.

That's really cool that you've been able to architect it in such a way that is extensible like that and allows people. I mean, talk about, again, meeting people where they are. There are people that appreciate those lower levels and they can use those open source projects to their own benefit.

And that's really cool and allows you to continue to take pride in it and to usher things forward while still supporting the things that you have to support in order to bring people forward. along with you. You mentioned serverless computing.

And that's really cool and allows you to continue to take pride in it and to usher things forward while still supporting the things that you have to support in order to bring people forward. along with you. You mentioned serverless computing.

I think last time you were on the show, which I guess was two years ago now, we were talking about Winter CG and some of the efforts between you all and Cloudflare to kind of formalize a spec around serverless runtimes. I haven't really kept up with that. Is that something that's continued to move forward? Is there progress there? Is it bearing fruit, this effort to create these specs?

I think last time you were on the show, which I guess was two years ago now, we were talking about Winter CG and some of the efforts between you all and Cloudflare to kind of formalize a spec around serverless runtimes. I haven't really kept up with that. Is that something that's continued to move forward? Is there progress there? Is it bearing fruit, this effort to create these specs?

Fair enough. As you talked about these different layers, One of the more interesting features I think you have added, which for me as a person who's been in the open source world for a long time and cares about sustainability and talks about licenses, you know, real kind of wonky in these areas. DenoKV was very interesting to me because it's kind of like where A, it's open source.

Fair enough. As you talked about these different layers, One of the more interesting features I think you have added, which for me as a person who's been in the open source world for a long time and cares about sustainability and talks about licenses, you know, real kind of wonky in these areas. DenoKV was very interesting to me because it's kind of like where A, it's open source.

This is a key value store built right into Deno and has a potential, I guess, upgrade path to Deno, the service, you know, Deno, the hosted stuff. where that database can be hosted by you all for pay. But then also you don't have to do that. And this is like one of those areas, again, where I wouldn't call this, this is not open core. I don't think so. It's a hosted service.

This is a key value store built right into Deno and has a potential, I guess, upgrade path to Deno, the service, you know, Deno, the hosted stuff. where that database can be hosted by you all for pay. But then also you don't have to do that. And this is like one of those areas, again, where I wouldn't call this, this is not open core. I don't think so. It's a hosted service.

But it's like that weird connection point of like, well, where does the... runtime stop and the product begin. And I'm just curious your thoughts through that, because I'm sure you thought deeply about it as you guys designed it.

But it's like that weird connection point of like, well, where does the... runtime stop and the product begin. And I'm just curious your thoughts through that, because I'm sure you thought deeply about it as you guys designed it.