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So that's cool. Stop motion video. I love it. I just feel like all this stuff in this media is getting people to want to – they see the people they look up to be famous through platforms. Right. And so it's obvious, like 90210, Jason Priestley. Although I didn't want to drive a Corvette and I didn't want to be any of those people. But I was like, if I could do that, I would have arrived.

So that's cool. Stop motion video. I love it. I just feel like all this stuff in this media is getting people to want to – they see the people they look up to be famous through platforms. Right. And so it's obvious, like 90210, Jason Priestley. Although I didn't want to drive a Corvette and I didn't want to be any of those people. But I was like, if I could do that, I would have arrived.

That's fair. What did you say? Something of power. Remind me of the phrase you said.

That's fair. What did you say? Something of power. Remind me of the phrase you said.

I'm glad you mentioned that because I think that's spot on because I think you may have answered my question, which is what is the reason why? I don't really think it's super strange behavior, Jared, to want to be famous, but I think it's kind of strange that it's so it's so pervasive. It's so out there for everyone. It seems at least and I could be just being hyperbole.

I'm glad you mentioned that because I think that's spot on because I think you may have answered my question, which is what is the reason why? I don't really think it's super strange behavior, Jared, to want to be famous, but I think it's kind of strange that it's so it's so pervasive. It's so out there for everyone. It seems at least and I could be just being hyperbole.

But I think you're right, Suze, that when you're especially when you're younger.

But I think you're right, Suze, that when you're especially when you're younger.

teens 10 to 16 you're trying to assert yourself you're trying to assert your any version of dominance regardless of gender you're trying to showcase that you can control situations or be in control of your own life and your own destiny and you're trying to direct things and I think that that probably is a reason is like well if I have this then I have I have power to assert my beliefs my ideas control over my future etc and

teens 10 to 16 you're trying to assert yourself you're trying to assert your any version of dominance regardless of gender you're trying to showcase that you can control situations or be in control of your own life and your own destiny and you're trying to direct things and I think that that probably is a reason is like well if I have this then I have I have power to assert my beliefs my ideas control over my future etc and

Should I close the loop for you, Jared, on the names of all the NKOTBs? Yes, please do. Jordan Knight, Jonathan Knight. Yes, brothers. Joey McIntyre. Okay, the baby face. That's right. There's always a baby face in these boy bands, right? Yeah, there's the bad guy. Donnie Wahlberg may have been the bad guy. Yeah, I think Donnie was. And then Danny Wood.

Should I close the loop for you, Jared, on the names of all the NKOTBs? Yes, please do. Jordan Knight, Jonathan Knight. Yes, brothers. Joey McIntyre. Okay, the baby face. That's right. There's always a baby face in these boy bands, right? Yeah, there's the bad guy. Donnie Wahlberg may have been the bad guy. Yeah, I think Donnie was. And then Danny Wood.

Now, when I say... What does that make you think of? Hangin' Tough, right? Hangin' Tough. There you go. Yeah.

Now, when I say... What does that make you think of? Hangin' Tough, right? Hangin' Tough. There you go. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm not going to sing again. I just had to say that. I hummed, basically. It was not a sing. Hey, friends. I'm here with Todd Kaufman, CEO of Test Double. You may know Test Double from a friend of the show, Justin Searles. So, Todd, on the homepage for Test Double, you say, Great software is made by great teams. We build both.

Yeah, I'm not going to sing again. I just had to say that. I hummed, basically. It was not a sing. Hey, friends. I'm here with Todd Kaufman, CEO of Test Double. You may know Test Double from a friend of the show, Justin Searles. So, Todd, on the homepage for Test Double, you say, Great software is made by great teams. We build both.

So, listeners, this is why Edward Kim, co-founder and head of technology at Gusto, says, quote, give Test Double your hardest problems to solve, end quote. Find out more about Test Double's software investment problem solvers at testdouble.com. That's testdouble.com, T-E-S-T-D-O-U-B-L-E.com. And I'm here with Farash Abugadije, founder and CEO of Socket, socket.dev.

So, listeners, this is why Edward Kim, co-founder and head of technology at Gusto, says, quote, give Test Double your hardest problems to solve, end quote. Find out more about Test Double's software investment problem solvers at testdouble.com. That's testdouble.com, T-E-S-T-D-O-U-B-L-E.com. And I'm here with Farash Abugadije, founder and CEO of Socket, socket.dev.

So Farash, you put out this fire post recently on X. And I'm going to paraphrase. You say the XZ package backdoor was just the tip of the iceberg. Give me just a peek behind the scenes of this incident and what you mean by it's just the tip of the iceberg.

So Farash, you put out this fire post recently on X. And I'm going to paraphrase. You say the XZ package backdoor was just the tip of the iceberg. Give me just a peek behind the scenes of this incident and what you mean by it's just the tip of the iceberg.