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And I like a good game of ping pong just like anybody else. For sure. And we're playing with some of his colleagues who are on their break or whatever. And he said, do you know why we play ping pong while we're at work? And I was like, it's fun. I was like, no, because we refresh our brains because when we're playing ping pong, everything else in the world disappears for a few minutes.

And I like a good game of ping pong just like anybody else. For sure. And we're playing with some of his colleagues who are on their break or whatever. And he said, do you know why we play ping pong while we're at work? And I was like, it's fun. I was like, no, because we refresh our brains because when we're playing ping pong, everything else in the world disappears for a few minutes.

And all we're doing is just playing ping pong and we can just put everything away just for a few minutes and then come back to it. And your brain is refreshed. And I was like, that's right. That's true. I've known that, but he said it to me and I was like, That's a great way of looking at it because that's really what is happening.

And all we're doing is just playing ping pong and we can just put everything away just for a few minutes and then come back to it. And your brain is refreshed. And I was like, that's right. That's true. I've known that, but he said it to me and I was like, That's a great way of looking at it because that's really what is happening.

And so useful distractions, usually physical, sometimes mental, but just in a different area. Competition, wash your face, as you said. I have a dartboard over there and don't really use it anymore. But when I used to get stuck, I just throw darts. That helps. Yeah. Take a walk. Take a shower.

And so useful distractions, usually physical, sometimes mental, but just in a different area. Competition, wash your face, as you said. I have a dartboard over there and don't really use it anymore. But when I used to get stuck, I just throw darts. That helps. Yeah. Take a walk. Take a shower.

Yeah. And there's something like a childlike wonder that comes out during games of competition. Um, even, even it doesn't have to be competitive. Like even I'm sure when you go mountain biking where it's like, you're just being free and you're being a kid and you're just doing something that has exhilaration and takes concentration. And if you don't pay attention, you're going to get hurt.

Yeah. And there's something like a childlike wonder that comes out during games of competition. Um, even, even it doesn't have to be competitive. Like even I'm sure when you go mountain biking where it's like, you're just being free and you're being a kid and you're just doing something that has exhilaration and takes concentration. And if you don't pay attention, you're going to get hurt.

So you better take it seriously. And so while you're taking it seriously, nothing else can really fill your mind. That's the hard part about actually stepping away to get unstuck is you You can step away, but you can't necessarily turn your brain off the problem unless you force it out by doing something that requires your brain and your body lots of times. And then you're actually stepping away.

So you better take it seriously. And so while you're taking it seriously, nothing else can really fill your mind. That's the hard part about actually stepping away to get unstuck is you You can step away, but you can't necessarily turn your brain off the problem unless you force it out by doing something that requires your brain and your body lots of times. And then you're actually stepping away.

And so I think it does force us to turn our brain off the problem, which gives us that chance to refresh. So big fan of ping pong or whatever your game of choice is. I like that. So good. Yeah. All right. Moving on. Anything else that Chris has said here? That you agree with or take issue with. There is no pride, this is Chris talking, there is no pride in managing or understanding complexity.

And so I think it does force us to turn our brain off the problem, which gives us that chance to refresh. So big fan of ping pong or whatever your game of choice is. I like that. So good. Yeah. All right. Moving on. Anything else that Chris has said here? That you agree with or take issue with. There is no pride, this is Chris talking, there is no pride in managing or understanding complexity.

That one's probably deep for him, right?

That one's probably deep for him, right?

Somebody must have been prideful around him around managing some complexity. My guess is it was from his younger self. He used to take pride in it and now he doesn't. Yeah, I guess so. Because these are things he's changed his mind about. I would love to ask him questions about that because all I have is questions. We got to get him on the show. He can't just talk about his blog post.

Somebody must have been prideful around him around managing some complexity. My guess is it was from his younger self. He used to take pride in it and now he doesn't. Yeah, I guess so. Because these are things he's changed his mind about. I would love to ask him questions about that because all I have is questions. We got to get him on the show. He can't just talk about his blog post.

We got to talk to him. Okay. Uh, let's switch bases then and go to second base, which is where we always go after first base. Let's get out and talk about our own mind changes. Since here we can talk to each other. We don't have to guesstimate what we mean. You haven't changed your mind about much.

We got to talk to him. Okay. Uh, let's switch bases then and go to second base, which is where we always go after first base. Let's get out and talk about our own mind changes. Since here we can talk to each other. We don't have to guesstimate what we mean. You haven't changed your mind about much.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.