Jerod

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because you're like, you set it up, you invited me, and then you were like, I can tell you're like, and I did my thing. I did what I was supposed to do.

Because you're like, you set it up, you invited me, and then you were like, I can tell you're like, and I did my thing. I did what I was supposed to do.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I felt like I had at least done that. But, you know, what clinched it for me, and this is where we were chatting in our own DMs in there, was I was like, I really just feel like we need more realness to it. I can't just DM with you and be like, yeah, I like it. Let's do it. That's not going to be it. You know, we've got to have some real stuff in there.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I felt like I had at least done that. But, you know, what clinched it for me, and this is where we were chatting in our own DMs in there, was I was like, I really just feel like we need more realness to it. I can't just DM with you and be like, yeah, I like it. Let's do it. That's not going to be it. You know, we've got to have some real stuff in there.

And wow, in addition to my mind changing or at least my judgment, my prejudgment. Sentiment.

And wow, in addition to my mind changing or at least my judgment, my prejudgment. Sentiment.

changing. There's people in there. And I would say there's more deep conversation in Zulip than has ever been in Slack. Now there's been lots of conversation, but like, it seems like it's deeper and longer because the thread is there. The topic is there. I don't know something. Yeah. Something uniquely different is in Zulip.

changing. There's people in there. And I would say there's more deep conversation in Zulip than has ever been in Slack. Now there's been lots of conversation, but like, it seems like it's deeper and longer because the thread is there. The topic is there. I don't know something. Yeah. Something uniquely different is in Zulip.

And now when I go back to Slack, I really just feel like, like I have no idea where the conversation's at. Right.

And now when I go back to Slack, I really just feel like, like I have no idea where the conversation's at. Right.

Yeah, a couple of things that have struck me. The first one is required topics makes you think a little more before you do something or say something. And so there's a little more intentionality to what you have to do, which is friction. which sometimes stops you. It's like, I think you said it, this feels more like real-time email.

Yeah, a couple of things that have struck me. The first one is required topics makes you think a little more before you do something or say something. And so there's a little more intentionality to what you have to do, which is friction. which sometimes stops you. It's like, I think you said it, this feels more like real-time email.

And because when you start a new email thread with somebody, you have to put a subject in that email. And that's what a topic is really. And so it does feel a little bit more like that compared to Slack. The second thing is, and our community folks have figured this out quickly, it feels like it's built by nerds more so than Slack does, even though Slack has some nerdy things for sure in there.

And because when you start a new email thread with somebody, you have to put a subject in that email. And that's what a topic is really. And so it does feel a little bit more like that compared to Slack. The second thing is, and our community folks have figured this out quickly, it feels like it's built by nerds more so than Slack does, even though Slack has some nerdy things for sure in there.

Nerds built this, and that's really cool. You can feel that love. And then the third thing is, we've already had a success story with one particular community member who already interacted with the Zulip team and their dev channel and had influence on the way the product was being built. And that's the open source ethos that we love. We would never have that kind of access with Slack.

Nerds built this, and that's really cool. You can feel that love. And then the third thing is, we've already had a success story with one particular community member who already interacted with the Zulip team and their dev channel and had influence on the way the product was being built. And that's the open source ethos that we love. We would never have that kind of access with Slack.

We've known folks inside of Slack for years, off and on, engineers. And we're like the smallest fish in that huge ocean of users. So that's pretty cool. It has its problems, it has its warts, but yeah, kudos to the Zulip team for putting together something pretty cool.

We've known folks inside of Slack for years, off and on, engineers. And we're like the smallest fish in that huge ocean of users. So that's pretty cool. It has its problems, it has its warts, but yeah, kudos to the Zulip team for putting together something pretty cool.