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Jess Weatherbed

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Decoder with Nilay Patel
Reality is losing the deepfake war

Yeah, I keep likening the situation to the Jurassic Park memo, whereas people thought so long about whether they could, they didn't actually stop to think about whether they should be doing this.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Reality is losing the deepfake war

And now we're in the mess that we're in.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Reality is losing the deepfake war

So this is a metadata standard, effectively, that was kickstarted by Adobe.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Reality is losing the deepfake war

Interestingly enough, Twitter as well, back in the day.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Reality is losing the deepfake war

You can see where the logic lies.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Reality is losing the deepfake war

It was supposed to be that everywhere a little bit of content goes online, this embedded metadata would follow.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Reality is losing the deepfake war

So what C2PA does is at the point that you take a picture on a camera, you upload that image into Photoshop.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Reality is losing the deepfake war

All of these instances would be recorded in the metadata of that file to say exactly when it was taken, what has happened to it, what tools were used to manipulate it.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Reality is losing the deepfake war

And then as a two part process, all of that information could then hypothetically be read by online platforms where you would see that information.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Reality is losing the deepfake war

So as consumers, as Internet users, we wouldn't have to do anything.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Reality is losing the deepfake war

We would be able to in this way.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Reality is losing the deepfake war

imaginary reality, go on Instagram or X and look at a photo and there'd be a lovely little button there that just says this is AI generated or this is real or some sort of authentication.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Reality is losing the deepfake war

That has obviously proven a lot more difficult in reality than on paper.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Reality is losing the deepfake war

They argue that it's quite tamper-proof, but it's a little bit of an action to speak louder than words kind of situation, unfortunately, because while they say it's tamper-proof, this thing is supposed to be able to resist being screenshot, for example, by the way.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Reality is losing the deepfake war

But then OpenAI, who is actually one of the steering community members behind this standard, openly says it's incredibly easy to strip to the point that online platforms might actually do that accidentally.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Reality is losing the deepfake war

So the theory is there's plenty behind it to make it robust, to make it hard to remove, but in practice that just isn't the case.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Reality is losing the deepfake war

It can be removed maliciously or not.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Reality is losing the deepfake war

It's a little bit of a confusing landscape because I think one of the few kind of like tech says that I would say there shouldn't actively be competition.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Reality is losing the deepfake war

And from what I've seen, from what I've spoken to with all these different providers, there isn't competition between them so much as they're all working towards the same goal.

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