Jesse Eisinger

Sure. Jesse Isinger, and I'm a senior editor and reporter at ProPublica.

Sure. Jesse Isinger, and I'm a senior editor and reporter at ProPublica.

Sure. Jesse Isinger, and I'm a senior editor and reporter at ProPublica.

Yeah, I'm in like the 99.5 percentile of people who think about rich people and taxes. Yes. Yeah. How did that happen to you? You know, just growing up angry. I wake up angry in the morning every day. I've always gravitated... It was all... It was a complete accident that I got into both journalism and then especially business and financial journalism. And then by happenstance, I gravitated to...

Yeah, I'm in like the 99.5 percentile of people who think about rich people and taxes. Yes. Yeah. How did that happen to you? You know, just growing up angry. I wake up angry in the morning every day. I've always gravitated... It was all... It was a complete accident that I got into both journalism and then especially business and financial journalism. And then by happenstance, I gravitated to...

Yeah, I'm in like the 99.5 percentile of people who think about rich people and taxes. Yes. Yeah. How did that happen to you? You know, just growing up angry. I wake up angry in the morning every day. I've always gravitated... It was all... It was a complete accident that I got into both journalism and then especially business and financial journalism. And then by happenstance, I gravitated to...

con men and liars and charlatans. I went from, you know, incredibly complicated stuff like accounting fraud and day sales outstanding and accounts receivable to structured finance and collateralized debt obligations and all that stuff. But I was always very daunted about taxes because I thought that was actually the really complicated stuff that I could never understand. And?

con men and liars and charlatans. I went from, you know, incredibly complicated stuff like accounting fraud and day sales outstanding and accounts receivable to structured finance and collateralized debt obligations and all that stuff. But I was always very daunted about taxes because I thought that was actually the really complicated stuff that I could never understand. And?

con men and liars and charlatans. I went from, you know, incredibly complicated stuff like accounting fraud and day sales outstanding and accounts receivable to structured finance and collateralized debt obligations and all that stuff. But I was always very daunted about taxes because I thought that was actually the really complicated stuff that I could never understand. And?

And then it fell into my lap through serendipity.

And then it fell into my lap through serendipity.

And then it fell into my lap through serendipity.

I consider it the most boring investigative series ever written. And what made it so boring? It's about a bureaucracy that's not doing anything. And it's about the tax bureaucracy that's not doing anything. So you're layering taxes on nothing.

I consider it the most boring investigative series ever written. And what made it so boring? It's about a bureaucracy that's not doing anything. And it's about the tax bureaucracy that's not doing anything. So you're layering taxes on nothing.

I consider it the most boring investigative series ever written. And what made it so boring? It's about a bureaucracy that's not doing anything. And it's about the tax bureaucracy that's not doing anything. So you're layering taxes on nothing.

Exactly. Exactly. But I was very proud of it. We really got into the IRS and it was very important. We penetrated a wealthy person's tax audit to explain why it was so difficult to audit the wealthy.

Exactly. Exactly. But I was very proud of it. We really got into the IRS and it was very important. We penetrated a wealthy person's tax audit to explain why it was so difficult to audit the wealthy.

Exactly. Exactly. But I was very proud of it. We really got into the IRS and it was very important. We penetrated a wealthy person's tax audit to explain why it was so difficult to audit the wealthy.

We wrote about, in the end, pretty outrageous things like Paul figured out that you were more likely to be audited if you were a member of the working poor, if you were making $20,000 or $30,000 a year than if you were making $500,000 a year. And why was that the case?

We wrote about, in the end, pretty outrageous things like Paul figured out that you were more likely to be audited if you were a member of the working poor, if you were making $20,000 or $30,000 a year than if you were making $500,000 a year. And why was that the case?