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Jesse Liu

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546 total appearances

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Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

If you work on the latest AI stuff, the first two weeks, it's going to be a disaster because you're going to find a lot of the misbehavior by the AI. You're going to find a lot of the edge cases by the model, right? So I think the whole thing is too new. There's no way that we want to charge for subscription. That's even worse. I don't like that strategy in general.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

So even though this sounds very concerning that, okay, you can easily twist my story or someone might twist my story and be like, oh, Rabbit is doing everything great, except they're going to bankrupt no matter what, right? I think it's a very stupid way to think in that sense because a great innovation, you have to focus on the innovative part first.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

So even though this sounds very concerning that, okay, you can easily twist my story or someone might twist my story and be like, oh, Rabbit is doing everything great, except they're going to bankrupt no matter what, right? I think it's a very stupid way to think in that sense because a great innovation, you have to focus on the innovative part first.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

So even though this sounds very concerning that, okay, you can easily twist my story or someone might twist my story and be like, oh, Rabbit is doing everything great, except they're going to bankrupt no matter what, right? I think it's a very stupid way to think in that sense because a great innovation, you have to focus on the innovative part first.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

Then when you figure out the money part, if we start figuring out the money part, none of this making sense. None of these making sense. I think, you know, there's another, you know, people in the industry that they have a great understanding of everything. And then they decided to release a wallpaper app charge for 50 bucks per month. Right. Hopefully that works, I guess. Yeah.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

Then when you figure out the money part, if we start figuring out the money part, none of this making sense. None of these making sense. I think, you know, there's another, you know, people in the industry that they have a great understanding of everything. And then they decided to release a wallpaper app charge for 50 bucks per month. Right. Hopefully that works, I guess. Yeah.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

Then when you figure out the money part, if we start figuring out the money part, none of this making sense. None of these making sense. I think, you know, there's another, you know, people in the industry that they have a great understanding of everything. And then they decided to release a wallpaper app charge for 50 bucks per month. Right. Hopefully that works, I guess. Yeah.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

You can go talk to that guy and you say, hey, there's no way you're going to bankrupt because your money checks you all this equation checks. If you charge for this, you're going to be making money. But that's based on the perspective that the whole logic needs to stand up, right?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

You can go talk to that guy and you say, hey, there's no way you're going to bankrupt because your money checks you all this equation checks. If you charge for this, you're going to be making money. But that's based on the perspective that the whole logic needs to stand up, right?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

You can go talk to that guy and you say, hey, there's no way you're going to bankrupt because your money checks you all this equation checks. If you charge for this, you're going to be making money. But that's based on the perspective that the whole logic needs to stand up, right?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

So I think I'm not really wasting a lot of my time at this point on trying to basically fine-tune a little bit about mathematic equations to make this more like 20%, 50%. Obviously, as a startup, we need to survive, right? And I think even though...

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

So I think I'm not really wasting a lot of my time at this point on trying to basically fine-tune a little bit about mathematic equations to make this more like 20%, 50%. Obviously, as a startup, we need to survive, right? And I think even though...

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

So I think I'm not really wasting a lot of my time at this point on trying to basically fine-tune a little bit about mathematic equations to make this more like 20%, 50%. Obviously, as a startup, we need to survive, right? And I think even though...

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

We have like a roller coaster ride since launch, but we're growing and we're surviving and we're still pushing the features that none of the other devices can do, which is a very, very good sign. So, yeah.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

We have like a roller coaster ride since launch, but we're growing and we're surviving and we're still pushing the features that none of the other devices can do, which is a very, very good sign. So, yeah.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

We have like a roller coaster ride since launch, but we're growing and we're surviving and we're still pushing the features that none of the other devices can do, which is a very, very good sign. So, yeah.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

I think there are multiple solutions to that question. One is that, obviously, if let's use R1 for every user for more than 18 months, there's a couple of solutions. One is that we're going to launch the next generation device. And maybe multiple devices still profitable from the hardware. Two, I think we have this prepared since day one. From last week, we rolled out the RFR teach mode.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

I think there are multiple solutions to that question. One is that, obviously, if let's use R1 for every user for more than 18 months, there's a couple of solutions. One is that we're going to launch the next generation device. And maybe multiple devices still profitable from the hardware. Two, I think we have this prepared since day one. From last week, we rolled out the RFR teach mode.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

I think there are multiple solutions to that question. One is that, obviously, if let's use R1 for every user for more than 18 months, there's a couple of solutions. One is that we're going to launch the next generation device. And maybe multiple devices still profitable from the hardware. Two, I think we have this prepared since day one. From last week, we rolled out the RFR teach mode.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

to a very selected group of testers. I would love to give you the access. So please reach out to us later on. We'll see if we can help you set it up. But we roll out a very small group of alpha testers, roughly around 20, 25 people, to be honest. And then over the last 72 hours, I saw more than probably 200, more than 200 lessons or agents has been created through Teach Mode. And