Jesse Michels

So there's this constant sort of cross, you know, wiring of like what's ours, what's theirs sort of thing.

And it's important to stay kind of hardheaded about that.

But you also have some stories that come out in the 80s around like this guy, Bob Lazar, who claims that he's at S4 Area 51 and he's working directly on UFOs, on reverse engineering UFOs.

And he gets the job through Edward Teller, who's father of the hydrogen bomb.

And it's this crazy story that's like really hard to debunk.

Like the best debunkers probably have trouble, you know, denying that he worked at Area 51.

And a lot of the core details seem to check and actually get corroborated over time.

And this is Joe Rogan's number one viewed episode of all time as Bob Lazar.

Um, and it's still kind of, you know, UFOs are still kind of in the lore, not necessarily like as popular as they are today.

Then in 2017, you have this New York times article written by Leslie Kane.

And, um, basically, um,

This outs that there were these UFO, not necessarily reverse engineering programs, but study groups going on from 2007 to 2012, this program called OSAP.

And this took place primarily at Skinwalker Ranch, which seems to be like a weird portal of sorts where like a lot of weird electromagnetic anomalies occur.

They see UFOs.

It's a show on the History Channel now, which is kind of strange.

And then it also goes into detail on these three different videos, the Go Fast, the Gimbal video, and the Nimitz video of 2004, this Nimitz carrier strike group, Commander David Fravor, and a bunch of other witnesses seeing this UFO, this Tic Tac object off the coast of San Diego, which is this really kind of famous case that a lot of people put weight in because you have a lot of eyewitnesses, and then you have forward-looking infrared video.

You have thermal video, essentially.

Ridiculous.

I think it was like seven eighths of a second to go from zero to 30,000 feet or something like that.

So it's just like ridiculous sorts of speed.