Jesse Michels

They're just going to build up and they're going to explode the current paradigm and we're going to get some new thing.

Oh, that's so interesting.

Hmm.

I mean, alive, you know, there are things that like David Grush, for example, or this guy named Hal Puthoff, who I mentioned earlier, who's this physicist, longtime CIA, NSA guy.

And he shows up, he runs the psychic spy program in the U.S.

called Stargate out of Stanford and starts it.

And then he's like, becomes, you know...

just shoulder deep in the UFO stuff, popping up in all these sort of UFO research groups, but like official government research groups, and is so implicated in both subjects.

I mean, he literally went on Joe Rogan's show and said, like, he contemplated disclosure with George W. Bush and his whole administration and his national security advisor, Stephen Hadley.

And they came to the conclusion it was like too jarring or whatever, shocking to like, you know, let out the truth.

And maybe the hermeneutic reading on that is that they themselves, you know, CIA doesn't have, like, as strong of a handle on this stuff as they'd like.

And so that's why they can't admit that this stuff is real.

But he's one of these figures who pops up in, like, all the... Like, okay, you look into this new, interesting, exotic framework of, you know...

electrodynamics called extended electrodynamics was like okay i'll put offs there and then you look into the this crazy ufo story and like how put offs researched it and uh it's funny he's a friend of mine but he's very cheeky and i know he like you know knows a lot more he's sitting on a lot more than he can uh that he can say so it's interesting that two people you mentioned are friends of you i know i know i know well that's the crazy thing it's like

I wish there was an ability for them to just go kind of full open kimono and just like say everything they know because it would accelerate progress on this stuff so much.

Yeah.

I also, I have a friend who also runs a multi-billion dollar hedge fund and he ran or helped run the Princeton Parapsychology Lab for like 10 years.

And he actually coded up this app called Sync Text, which is, so he's like probably like the world authority on random event generators, this experiment that I mentioned.

And this app basically creates random messages just in the way that you have, like, the random one and zero.

And they seem to appear kind of synchronistically in your life.