Jesse Michels

Yeah, it is ironic, which is why it can't be taken at face value.

You know, it's like, who knows whether they're good or bad?

I don't know.

But they're saying that he blacks out, he wakes up nine miles away from the base, and he doesn't know what happened.

And now all of a sudden the sun's coming up, so it's dawn, and he's freaked out.

And it's like nine miles away from Lake Newell or something, which is like, you know, yeah, it's far from the base.

And so he's like, what happened?

I don't know what that is.

It's so weird.

He ends up getting checked in what seems to be kind of a routine protocol by the base.

And they're checking his teeth and they're doing all sorts of tests on him, which implied that they have some sort of familiarity that this thing happens a lot.

And then he retains his clearance and continues working for the DOE for another 20 years, by the way.

has no idea what happened that night, gets a hypnotic regression, which we should get into as well, because that's how a lot of these stories come out, which gets to your question of like,

you know, is that a valid form of memory retrieval or are you like going to make stuff up?

I would say it pattern matches to any extremely traumatic experience.

Somebody, you know, if somebody experiences child abuse or something like that, often those memories get extremely repressed.

It's adaptive for you to repress those memories and they come out in techniques like hypnotic regression.

So he ends up getting a hypnotic regression.

And again, he's on this craft of

operating table.