Jesse Michels

And those are the two most classified programs associated with Lockheed and Northrop.

Pretty, pretty fascinating.

And now he's, of course, coming out next year with, or this year, rather, with Disclosure Day, which is, you know, very anticipated.

So, yeah, anyways, going back to your question, I think the Angels thing is, it is instructive and it is interesting.

And you even have a guy named Chris Bledsoe, who's this UFO super experiencer in North Carolina, who's actually friends with one of your past guests, rest in peace, Robert Gilbert.

because they were going back and forth on a lot of the symbolism that Chris Bledsoe was receiving through his transmissions, through his alien interactions.

And some of them seem to maybe comport with Rosicrucian symbols and stuff.

And like, you know, this gets into territory that like, I don't know what to make of a lot of this stuff.

But he said, so this is crazy.

When he started to experience a lot of these UFOs showing up, you know, around his house and stuff,

a guy showed up at his front door.

And we now know that guy to be this guy named Hal Pauvenmeier, who we know is this senior scientist at NASA.

He's worked at NASA for years.

And I guess, like, towards the end of his life, on his deathbed, he told the family, you know, he was both CIA and NASA.

And he would say things to Bledsoe, which, again, like, maybe don't take at face value.

Some of these people are coming in from the intel world.

You know, I don't know.

But he would say, like...

don't get close to the angel beings.

They're emitting megavolts of electricity.