Jesse Michels

And he was basically the father of German rocketry.

Right.

And he said that it was aided by these non-human beings.

Well, proof that NASA probably knows something, a thing or two internally about the UFO stuff.

And I know this is something you've looked into.

And I think my buddy Chris Ramsey might be doing an interesting follow-up with you on all this stuff.

Oh, yeah, Chris, right.

There's this Simpkinson photo around Gemini 11, that play, and there's maybe the best UFO photo you could ever ask for.

It's like a perfect UFO photo.

In fact, I have the book...

uh right here i'm gonna i'm gonna take it i'll grab it sure so we have we have this um this simpkinson nasa ufo archive and this photo which is like maybe the best ufo photo of all time um if it's real and it comes from gemini 11 and you you figured out that this was a gemini 11 photo right

Oh, okay.

Ed Wilson did.

Is that a UFO?

Hmm.

Why is that your assessment?

So you did some forensic investigating and realized that the timing was off.

The timing's off.

For when they actually did see the UFO.

Yeah.