Jesse Michels

So it affected you in sort of a negative way.

Why do you think... Ah, it's so strange.

Ideally, you know, the alien tech or whatever would, you know, be so... So, you know, if it's not creating an immune reaction, it wouldn't, you know, suppress your thoughts in any sort of negative way as well.

Hmm.

It's fascinating.

It's a wild conversation for me because you seem like a very smart guy.

And then a lot of these things are just so out there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, you're backing up all your claims.

So it's really amazing.

Dr. Roger Lear, did you find him to be

you know, fully kind of bought into the kind of non-human hypothesis as the origin for... Oh, yeah.

And he said it was 17 or 18 implants that he removed?

17, I believe, yeah.

17.

And he had no background in this.

He was just a podiatrist and...

Yeah, he thought it was ridiculous at first, too, but... Did he stumble upon a... Like, there was one of his patients or something, and he pulled it out?

Did Lear ever try to write an academic paper on any of this stuff?

That's so crazy.