Jesse Michels

you know, fully kind of bought into the kind of non-human hypothesis as the origin for... Oh, yeah.

And he said it was 17 or 18 implants that he removed?

17, I believe, yeah.

17.

And he had no background in this.

He was just a podiatrist and...

Yeah, he thought it was ridiculous at first, too, but... Did he stumble upon a... Like, there was one of his patients or something, and he pulled it out?

Did Lear ever try to write an academic paper on any of this stuff?

That's so crazy.

It's like, yeah, because it's funny.

You can go on ChatGPT and they say, Roger Lear has no academically, you know, peer-reviewed papers or whatever.

It's like you tried.

Yeah, we did try.

And it's funny.

I think you always have to sanitize the results and just say, no, we found something anomalous.

We're not even jumping to conclusions.

But even then, sometimes there's this sort of antibody rejection of a lot of these findings.

There's a friend of mine, Beatrice Vioreal.

She's an astronomer from Stockholm University.

And she's a PhD out there.