Jesse Michels

And you're obviously in the subset, clearly, because I watch your show.

Hey, you love the soup.

You want to know what is the what is the substrate in which we are kind of operating?

And so you've had Donald Hoffman on and you explore why, you know, seeing reality for what it is, is actually maladaptive from like a, you know, survival standpoint.

I think there's this felt sense for a lot of those people and people generally that our understanding of reality is incomplete and off.

And I think if you start kind of in that epistemically humble, like with that sort of claim, then I think beings between man and God are a part of that.

Or beings, you know, if you don't believe in God, above man and the kind of, you know, the chain of consciousness command or, you know, the hierarchy, so to speak, I think is a part of that.

And I think there are all these empirical observable anomalies, both in science and that the military have observed, you know, that, you know, aerospace executives are talking about now that people in the highest ranks of, you know, American intelligence are now discussing very openly that point to our reality being just much trippier than meets the eye.

specifically with respect to us not being alone in the universe and non-human intelligence being real.

And so, again, maybe not adaptive for somebody day to day, but if you want to understand what is going on on kind of a higher level, I think it's dogmatic if you're not incorporating that into your model.

I love it.

Yeah, that's a great rug pull is a great way to put it.

I think it's funny.

The show is always like compressed into like, you know, this you're a UFO show, you know, but I think really it's a it's what is the nature of reality and what is this paradigm shift we're on the verge of?

And so I think that's you could kind of come up with like an iron triangle sort of framework where you have one one leg, which is UFOs, the fact that we're not alone.

Another leg, which is maybe more exotic physics or anti-gravity.

So, okay, let's admit that we're seeing stuff in the sky.

Is it our own stuff?

You know, and maybe we've made some breakthroughs kind of, you know, in the classified world.

So like one of those is probably true.