Jesse Michels

And this is Joe Rogan's number one viewed episode of all time as Bob Lazar.

Um, and it's still kind of, you know, UFOs are still kind of in the lore, not necessarily like as popular as they are today.

Then in 2017, you have this New York times article written by Leslie Kane.

And, um, basically, um,

This outs that there were these UFO, not necessarily reverse engineering programs, but study groups going on from 2007 to 2012, this program called OSAP.

And this took place primarily at Skinwalker Ranch, which seems to be like a weird portal of sorts where like a lot of weird electromagnetic anomalies occur.

They see UFOs.

It's a show on the History Channel now, which is kind of strange.

And then it also goes into detail on these three different videos, the Go Fast, the Gimbal video, and the Nimitz video of 2004, this Nimitz carrier strike group, Commander David Fravor, and a bunch of other witnesses seeing this UFO, this Tic Tac object off the coast of San Diego, which is this really kind of famous case that a lot of people put weight in because you have a lot of eyewitnesses, and then you have forward-looking infrared video.

You have thermal video, essentially.

Ridiculous.

I think it was like seven eighths of a second to go from zero to 30,000 feet or something like that.

So it's just like ridiculous sorts of speed.

speeds that are like well beyond, you know, prosaic.

And I believe Commander David Fravor even worked, went on to work at Lockheed.

And like, he's like, there's just no way that any, and they would be like, you know, at the top of kind of like stealth craft stuff.

Yeah.

So, and a lot, a lot of those guys are, you know, pretty, pretty well versed on like advanced aviation.

And they're all like, we don't know how the hell this happened.

So,