Jesse Michels

Interesting.

If I were on the inside, I would probably want somebody like you working on this sort of thing.

Okay.

Have you ever been contacted to do black work?

Because you've always wanted to do things in an open, transparent way.

Do you think that's part of what's held back, the legacy UFO program?

Yeah.

Do you think that there are certain scientific things that you can't work on in the kind of civil side, you know, open world of science without receiving backlash?

You mentioned on Danny Jones that you've had various friends work on anti-gravity and receive sort of backlash.

That's scary.

That's very strange, yeah.

What do you think that is with the anti-gravity stuff?

Doesn't that feel like the base case conclusion?

Like if somebody's getting threatened over discovering a thing, it would seem like there'd be some group on the inside that would be tracking people trying to discover a thing that they're already aware of, right?

Yeah, exactly.

That seems like the Occam's razor easy explanation.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I've done deep dives on this guy like Townsend Brown, who I'm really fascinated with.

And I talk about him probably too much for the audience always laughs when I talk.