Jesse Michels

He's French.

He's an astronomer.

He was actually involved in the invention of the Internet.

And he came down to Calares to investigate.

And he also came to the he calls his diaries are called Forbidden Science.

And he came to the conclusion because he spoke to Dr. Carvalho, who saw 35 patients who all had the same sunburns and puncture wounds and the two women that died of a stroke.

And he was just astonished that science can't even look at it.

It's almost too much for humans to cope with, for our kind of epistemology to kind of understand.

And so I think that's very fair to not come to a conclusion, but I hope that

We can study this in a more official capacity.

You obviously are running for president.

There are rumors about conversations between you and Bolsonaro.

I know you've had some issues with the Christian Democracy Party.

If you were in office, would you start to have that conversation in a more official capacity?

Would you try to get the best and brightest Brazilian scientists on these sorts of topics?

Brazil is very interesting to touch on what you just said, because it sits at the intersection between traditional Catholicism, but you have people practicing traditional Catholicism and also Candomblé, Umbanda.

Alan Karditch is a, you know, spiritist from the 1850s who obviously had his whole taxonomy of, you know, non-corporeal beings practicing

huge following in Brazil.

And so it's an interesting place in that you have the traditional religious element, but you also have the openness to some of these phenomena.

And so do you think UFOs, in your mind, do you think it's consistent with Catholicism?