Jesse Michels

And, like, I feel like I've, like, amassed a lot of, like, evidence on this stuff.

Thank you, man.

I mean, I don't know.

I could just have a bunch of crazy, useless facts.

But... It's just weird.

I feel like I get back, like, you know, you, like, poke the bear with statements like this.

And...

I don't know whether it's like maybe it's held in private hands.

And so the private hands don't have these sort of frameworks that they adhere to.

And because a lot of the DOE is entangled and DOD is entangled with a lot of these contractors.

The contractors often act like these fiefdoms where they...

make these like experimental updates.

And then they become these, I mean, if you think about like tech is kind of your power and your leverage.

And so they then like turn into these like runaway, like escape from civilian bureaucracy oversight groups.

And so like, does this exist in that sort of, you know, capacity?

I don't know.

I don't have a good answer, but it's very strange.

And it's very strange when you get to a certain level of conviction on it, because it's, I'm like, what's going on?

Like, is somebody going to contact me?

And then you do occasionally get higher, like literally this guy who ran a $2 billion P&L