Jesse Michels

But magnesium or bismuth rather is constantly talked about, bismuth, because bismuth is a high K dielectric.

So it stores and discharges easily a lot of electromagnetism.

And that in the Bifield-Brown effect, if you use that as the insulator between the negative and positive electrodes, that creates greater thrust.

So I find it fascinating that you have UFO parts.

That in one of the few antigravity experiments that we know of, it creates more thrust in that experiment.

That seems really significant to me.

Super interesting.

Yeah, Gary was also, when I was at his lab, he showed me some of the pieces, and he mentioned that some of these materials might be able to micro-size wave guides for terahertz power.

And do you think that that's true?

Do you think these pieces are able to do that?

What is one scientific truth that you adamantly believe that conventional science disagrees with you vehemently on?

Oh, that's a good question.

know if i have an answer immediately you could dwell on it if you want for the movie if it comes up to think about that what do i what do i what interesting yeah i don't know if i don't know if there is one exactly yeah at nasa um you mentioned the people there weren't really into ufos how does how do you square that with all this lore of them being interested in ufos and i don't know you have like um diana pasulka have you ever read her book american cosmic yeah

So she has this NASA mission controller who I guess now is public, but his name is Tim Taylor.

And, you know, he's going around taking them to UFO crash sites.

Seems extremely read into any sort of UFO program that exists.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's so strange because, yeah, you have Hal Pabenmeier, who was a I think he was both CIA and NASA showing up at Chris Bledsoe's door when he starts to attract UFOs.

Very.