Jesse Michels

No, that feels pretty, pretty apt to me.

I want to talk because you're in a I think very unique vantage point as somebody who is at the intersection of kind of credible physics and then kind of very speculative UFO interest.

There are a couple of interesting objects of interest of late that kind of hit that intersection.

The first I want to talk about is actually this discovery of Beatrice Villareal at Stockholm University, who I had the pleasure of interviewing her.

And she was looking at the Palomar Observatory, which was the most in-use observatory in the mid-century in the US.

It's in San Diego.

And she found...

Over 100,000 in an eight year period, what appeared to be UFOs, mirror like objects, little transients, light flashes.

And they seem to actually be correlated with nuclear sites, too.

There's like a follow up study that they're 68 percent more likely to show up a day before or after a nuclear detonation.

So this is just fascinating study.

And and nobody in the credentialed conventional physics world has debunked it.

It's been peer reviewed.

Right.

And you have people like Sabina Hassenfelder and Brian Keating, you know, people you don't think of as like UFO nuts.

Right.

Like going on, you know, YouTube and saying like this actually seems kind of intriguing.

So what do you make of it?

Well, it was 100,000 between 1949 and 1957.

The reason you'd ended in 1957 is because Sputnik goes up.