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Jesse Wegman

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Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

So I think Wilson himself is really at the heart of giving the federal government the power that it has today.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

Well, this is how I came to Wilson in the first place.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

I was writing my book on the Electoral College and I was looking through the notes of the Constitutional Convention, James Madison's notes.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

to find when was the moment that the electoral colleges adopted.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

And here's this guy, this long-winded Scott, who keeps saying things that sound more like they come from our era than his own, and saying, you know, the president should be a single person, which was not at the time fully agreed upon, and that he should be elected directly by the people.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

When Wilson says this about the president being a single personβ€”

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

James Madison records what he calls a considerable pause in the room.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

You know, the other delegates are sitting there basically shifting in their seats.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

Nobody's very comfortable at this prospect.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

You know, they don't want to have another tyrant like King George there.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

And they're also sitting right there in front of another George, George Washington, who is widely understood to be the frontrunner for any sort of executive office that might be created.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

So everyone's feeling awkward at that moment.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

Wilson is not at all.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

He says this is obvious.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

Of course, we need a single executive who has the power to carry out his duties.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

And he should be elected directly by the people because anyone who's that powerful –

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

needs to be in direct connection to the people over whom he has that power.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

If he's not, there will be problems.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

So Wilson basically is the first person to argue for a direct popular vote for president, which is what we still talk about today.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

He's saying it in 1787.