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Jesse Wegman

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Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

Wilson is without question one of the leading lawyers in the country at the time, if not the leading lawyer.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

Everyone looks to him for his legal acumen, but also his knowledge of history and of government that he developed through his training in the Scottish Enlightenment.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

But Wilson brings this energy to the convention that I had not noticed before.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

He's constantly saying things that sound more like they were said by someone in the 21st century than someone in the 18th century.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

And those have to do primarily with the ideals of political equality, the idea that people are the foundation of government and all people are equal, right?

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

This is not very welcome to a lot of the delegates who are much more interested, say, in their states, right?

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

They care about making sure their state has equal power.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

So

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

One of the biggest fights at the convention is over the Senate.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

Will the Senate be a body of states with equal power or will it be based on the population of the states and the people themselves?

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

Wilson argues tirelessly throughout the summer for a government based on population.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

And he says people should be represented in accordance with their numbers.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

Why is this so hard?

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

Right.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

And he can't understand why so many of the other founders resist him.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

So that fight, that fight over popular rule versus state equality takes up the entire first half of the summer.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

And in the end, Wilson, for all his arguments, actually ends up losing that one.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

Wilson and James Madison and a few of the other nationalists had really wanted a government based on population.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

They don't get it.

Fresh Air
Remembering the nation's 'Lost Founder'

They get a Senate that has equal state power.