Jesse Welles

It was Francis Ford Coppola and he's got like Martin Sheen and Marlon Brando and Dennis Hopper and Robert Duvall and all those cool cats and dope movie.

But it's written on this

premise of a book that was written in like 1899 by Joseph Conrad like Heart of Darkness oh wow it's that old and Heart of Darkness was talking about a conquest of I believe the Dutch I'm not sure into the Congo and

and some atrocities and stuff that were happening there, treating people as subhuman.

I don't know if there was scalping or anything, but I think that there was slavery and that sort of thing.

But Coppola was able to adapt that

and then put the vietnam war as the new premise going into i think they i think sheen's mission and in the in the movie at least was to go go up river into cambodia or laos i'm not sure which and take out a rogue u.s general who had basically enslaved a population of uh

of indigenous there.

All that to say, I wonder if in Vietnam, if the folks fighting out there felt like in that moment, in that moment where you're killing somebody, if you realize at that point that nothing has ever changed and that this is

There's something primeval in man with this violence, that this violence is innate.

Or is this violence innate?

Is this how folks are and there's no helping it and there's nothing that's ever going to change it?

Because you can get kind of cynical that way.

And I kind of tend on this more idealistic and at times it seems naive or stupid to have an ideal that folks could live in harmony and peace without taking one another's lives.

The problem is they've never done it before.

That's mind boggling.

Mind boggling.

Because it is in all...

I think it's in a lot of us, deep down.

Right.