Jesse Zhang

And that's an ongoing problem.

I don't think we've solved culture.

It's something we just put a lot of thought into.

And we want to make sure that people feel like they will be very fulfilled by staying here for a long time.

Definitely feels like talent is a big team effort.

For anyone you want to hire, you need the whole team to swarm around them to win, to win highly sought after talent.

And you have to go and do all the things, right?

There are some parallels to sales, of course.

You're trying to like convince people that, hey, this is the place they want to be.

So that involves oftentimes getting to know their families, getting to know their partners, really figuring out what they want out of their own careers and making sure that you can design a role for them that is like that.

Unfortunately, in the application layer, it is not as crazy as the metas and the open AIs.

There's only so many top-level researchers.

We have some very strong researchers on our team.

It's a lot more of like an applied type research.

For us, it's the same thing that happens.

We're going after a lot of people on our team, Harvard and MIT and Stanford.

There's only so many of these folks that are in the market at any time who are like...

in SF or going to the office.

And so it is a competitive place to be.

I think we're kind of fortunate.