Jessica Hancock

Well, we'll find out in December, won't we? Very classic of them to do that.

As long as it's not bulky and gets in the way of the game. And I think that was the goal with this. There's that management, but it's not like, oh, now we have to sit and do some admin before we can have fun. I think some games do that. The resource management is part of it, but it just feels like it's annoying and it's not fun.

this is like simple enough where it matters and you have to manage it, but it's not like, I feel like I have to go and do some paperwork for my game, you know?

Yeah.

maybe you're smarter than me there's definitely been mistakes where we've kicked ourselves and said we could have predicted this mistake yes and it's totally on us yeah there's been other stuff as well like I've been doing game fulfillment like for about six years five six years now and so when 2020 when 2020 happened suddenly shipping costs were like two three times what they were and there was no way that we could have had that and that was just we have to throw money at the situation because

the games are, you know, in place A and they need to get to place B. And they've been promised to people. And that's how much it costs to get them there now. Like we'd budgeted, like, I think it was something like four grand for a container and ended up being 12, which is just, it was like, it was like that in 2020. It was, it was absolutely wild. It was things like that were happening.

No, that's fair enough. But I think always a thing with other creators is buffering with time is a thing because when mistakes happen, it always takes you a bit more time. So I always say do your timeline really generously and the end,

Yeah, yeah. And worst case scenario, if everything goes to plan, you fulfilled your backers two months early. Oh, no. Right. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

But that's why I let them know. And for that person that complained, I said, that's fine. We'll hold it and we'll fulfill it for you in two months. That's fine. And they said, I can have it this month, but that's not the point.

I don't know what the point is yeah but that's yeah if you're dealing with like thousands of backers there's always one person which is a bit odd I think and I'm sure with customer services messages on that scale you've had one or two people you're like I don't know what you want to be happy here but you know right it was I just tell me what you want and I will try to do it but I can't tell what it is you want you know sorry PJ yeah I'm like I mean this is

Or a heroic sacrifice, or, you know. That's right, exactly.

I mean, a lot of people have that as a hobby. They go splunking and stuff. So, you know, some people would disagree with you. In Wales, right?

one thing that jumped out to me was the magic system so I really like how you made magic scary and volatile and with cost in the world it feels like it's not just a oh I do this magic spell and it's done but it feels like oh it can go wrong even if you really know what you're doing which was really nice and

I'm not sure how so maybe you can maybe this was intentional and you can explain why I feel this way but when I was reading through I don't play a lot of magic users in things like 5e because I'm just like oh that feels like admin and work and I have to like do homework but this felt a lot more approachable and it felt a lot more accessible and like something I could try out so I don't know what your approach was with kind of almost trying to strip back magic or yeah.

Or at least an expression of emotion, yeah. Right, right. Yep.