Jessica McKenna

Talk about just standing on the shoulders of giants.

He was like there to hear a lot of it.

I mean, I think like pop music for me is like one of the hardest ones.

If it's just like this person's writing a music in a time that you're supposed to hear it reflect the sound that you're currently in, just think like distance is really helpful.

And I think like limitations are helpful.

I'm currently doing a girl's rewatch, but realized that I never went beyond season two because I read Famesick.

And I was like, I think I have to reassess my relationship to girls.

And so I've like finally got into the season where Marnie's in a singer-songwriter duo.

And trying to like place them in more like the stomp clap like Lumineers era.

I'm like, yeah, I guess this.

But it is an uncanny valley of like how good is this supposed to be?

Probably not that good.

But occasionally a little good.

Like good enough that...

They got all meeting at a record label or whatever.

But yeah, I think distance is super helpful, or shorter versions of songs.

But yeah, and all I can think of is that Orpheus song at the moment.

Sorry, Hadestown, really catching some strays.

What are we doing?

Yeah, it's so physically obvious.